Re: [R] The "--slave" option ==> will become "--no-echo"

2019-09-27 Thread William Michels via R-help
Apologies, Duncan and Martin. I didn't check "R --help" first. You're quite right, lots of embedded hyphens. Best Regards, Bill. W. Michels, Ph.D. On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 2:42 PM Duncan Murdoch wrote: > > On 27/09/2019 5:36 p.m., William Michels via R-help wrote: > > Hi Martin, > > > >

Re: [R] The "--slave" option ==> will become "--no-echo"

2019-09-27 Thread Duncan Murdoch
On 27/09/2019 5:36 p.m., William Michels via R-help wrote: Hi Martin, '--no-echo' or '--no_echo' Obviously you may prefer the first, but I hope you might consider the second. Are you serious? That's a terrible suggestion. Run "R --help" and you'll see *no* options with

Re: [R] The "--slave" option ==> will become "--no-echo"

2019-09-27 Thread William Michels via R-help
Hi Martin, '--no-echo' or '--no_echo' Obviously you may prefer the first, but I hope you might consider the second. Best Regards, W. Michels, Ph.D. On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 9:04 AM Martin Maechler wrote: > > > Martin Maechler > > on Mon, 23 Sep 2019 16:14:36 +0200

Re: [R] The "--slave" option ==> will become "--no-echo"

2019-09-27 Thread Jim Lemon
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 2:04 AM Martin Maechler wrote: > > For back compatibility reasons, the old command line option will > continue to work so the many shell and other scripts that use > it, will not stop working. > That's a relief. I was getting worried that we would become: The knights who

Re: [R] The "--slave" option ==> will become "--no-echo"

2019-09-27 Thread Martin Maechler
> Martin Maechler > on Mon, 23 Sep 2019 16:14:36 +0200 writes: > Richard O'Keefe > on Sat, 21 Sep 2019 09:39:18 +1200 writes: >> Ah, *now* we're getting somewhere. There is something >> that *can* be done that's genuinely helpful. >>> From the R(1) manual

Re: [R] The "--slave" option

2019-09-23 Thread Martin Maechler
> Richard O'Keefe > on Sat, 21 Sep 2019 09:39:18 +1200 writes: > Ah, *now* we're getting somewhere. There is something > that *can* be done that's genuinely helpful. >> From the R(1) manual page: >-q, --quiet Don't print startup message >--silent

Re: [R] The "--slave" option

2019-09-20 Thread Francesco Ariis
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 03:14:44PM +1200, Richard O'Keefe wrote: > The one thing "slave" does not mean in technology is any kind of human > being. At risk of repeating what someone else said, we are most likely not dealing with a human but with a "supernatural being, often represented as of

[R] The "--slave" option

2019-09-19 Thread Maksim Fomin
> How, in late 2019, is there an option called "--slave" to "make R run as quietly as possible"? The word "slave" is fine for computer science because a) none tries to make a real person slave and b) historical reasons and backwards compability. You may be against b), but this is your problem.

Re: [R] The "--slave" option

2019-09-19 Thread Patrick Connolly
On Wed, 18-Sep-2019 at 02:58PM -0700, Jeff Newmiller wrote: |> I think there is no confusion except in the minds of those with |> nothing better to do. I agree with Antirez, quoted in [1], which |> nevertheless indicates that perspective lost the debate. I agree with Jeff. Automotive hydraulics

Re: [R] The "--slave" option

2019-09-19 Thread Richard O'Keefe
One of my grandfathers was from Croatia. Guess what the word "slave" is derived from? That's right, Slavs. This goes back to the 9th century. And then of course my grandfather's people were enslaved by the Ottoman empire, which was only defeated a little over a hundred years ago. My other

Re: [R] The "--slave" option

2019-09-18 Thread Abby Spurdle
> Personally I much prefer backwards compatibility to political correctness. I agree with Rolf, here. And as someone that's planning to write a Linux Terminal Emulator, in the medium-term future, I *strongly* defend this approach. And to the original poster. Haven't you seen The Matrix? (Second

Re: [R] The "--slave" option

2019-09-18 Thread Rolf Turner
On 18/09/19 6:00 PM, Benjamin Lang wrote: Dear R project, I have a very simple question: How, in late 2019, is there an option called "--slave" to "make R run as quietly as possible"? Let me reiterate that it is 2019, i.e. "The Future", rather than 1970 when R was presumably developed,

Re: [R] The "--slave" option

2019-09-18 Thread Jeff Newmiller
I think there is no confusion except in the minds of those with nothing better to do. I agree with Antirez, quoted in [1], which nevertheless indicates that perspective lost the debate. Any accurate alternative notation will have similar connotations because in fact the "slave" side of that

Re: [R] The "--slave" option

2019-09-18 Thread Patrick (Malone Quantitative)
For what it's worth, this is an ongoing conversation in computer science and engineering. And has been so for decades. Not R, but related to this it's only in the past few months that a fork of the photo-manipulation software GIMP (slur for handicapped) renames it (GLIMPSE). Note, I am not

[R] The "--slave" option

2019-09-18 Thread Benjamin Lang
Dear R project, I have a very simple question: How, in late 2019, is there an option called "--slave" to "make R run as quietly as possible"? Let me reiterate that it is 2019, i.e. "The Future", rather than 1970 when R was presumably developed, based on its atrocious syntax, documentation and