[R] FW: Large datasets in R

2006-07-18 Thread Marshall Feldman
Hi, I have two further comments/questions about large datasets in R. 1. Does R's ability to handle large datasets depend on the operating system's use of virtual memory? In theory, at least, VM should make the difference between installed RAM and virtual memory on a hard drive primarily a

Re: [R] FW: Large datasets in R

2006-07-18 Thread Roger D. Peng
In my experience, the OS's use of virtual memory is only relevant in the rough sense that the OS can store *other* running applications in virtual memory so that R can use as much of the physical memory as possible. Once R itself overflows into virtual memory it quickly becomes unusable. I'm

Re: [R] FW: Large datasets in R

2006-07-18 Thread Prof Brian Ripley
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Marshall Feldman wrote: Hi, I have two further comments/questions about large datasets in R. 1. Does R's ability to handle large datasets depend on the operating system's use of virtual memory? In theory, at least, VM should make the difference between installed RAM

Re: [R] FW: Large datasets in R

2006-07-18 Thread Ritwik Sinha
Hi, I have a related question. How differently do other statistical softwares handle large data? The original post claims that 350 MB is fine on Stata. Some one suggested S-Plus. I have heard people say that SAS can handle large data sets. Why can others do it and R seem to have a problem? Don't

Re: [R] FW: Large datasets in R

2006-07-18 Thread Gabor Grothendieck
S-Plus stores objects as files whereas R stores them in memory. SAS was developed many years ago when optimizing computer resources was more important than it is now. On 7/18/06, Ritwik Sinha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have a related question. How differently do other statistical

Re: [R] FW: Large datasets in R

2006-07-18 Thread Thomas Lumley
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Ritwik Sinha wrote: Hi, I have a related question. How differently do other statistical softwares handle large data? The original post claims that 350 MB is fine on Stata. Some one suggested S-Plus. I have heard people say that SAS can handle large data sets. Why can

Re: [R] FW: Large datasets in R

2006-07-18 Thread Marshall Feldman
] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:54 AM To: Prof Brian Ripley Cc: Marshall Feldman; r-help@stat.math.ethz.ch Subject: Re: [R] FW: Large datasets in R Hi, I have a related question. How differently do other statistical softwares handle large data? The original post claims that 350 MB is fine on Stata

Re: [R] FW: Large datasets in R

2006-07-18 Thread François Pinard
[Thomas Lumley] People have used R in this way, storing data in a database and reading it as required. There are also some efforts to provide facilities to support this sort of programming (such as the current project funded by Google Summer of Code:

Re: [R] FW: Large datasets in R

2006-07-18 Thread Berton Gunter
Of François Pinard Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:56 PM To: Thomas Lumley Cc: r-help@stat.math.ethz.ch Subject: Re: [R] FW: Large datasets in R [Thomas Lumley] People have used R in this way, storing data in a database and reading it as required. There are also some efforts to provide