Re: [R] anti-R vitriol

2004-06-30 Thread TEMPL Matthias
] Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Juni 2004 20:21 An: 'Barry Rowlingson'; R-help Betreff: RE: [R] anti-R vitriol From: Barry Rowlingson A colleague is receiving some data from another person. That person reads the data in SAS and it takes 30s and uses 64k RAM. That person then tries

Re: [R] anti-R vitriol

2004-06-30 Thread John Maindonald
I am curious. What were the dimensions of this data set? Did this person know use read.table(), or scan(). Did they know about the possibility of reading the data one part at a time? The way that SAS processes the data row by row limits what can be done. It is often possible with scant

[R] anti-R vitriol

2004-06-29 Thread Barry Rowlingson
A colleague is receiving some data from another person. That person reads the data in SAS and it takes 30s and uses 64k RAM. That person then tries to read the data in R and it takes 10 minutes and uses a gigabyte of RAM. Person then goes on to say: It's not that I think SAS is such great

Re: [R] anti-R vitriol

2004-06-29 Thread Berton Gunter
My reaction, as a mere individual user: Of course, one cannot have any idea what's really going on, so a rational reply to the rant is impossible. But, as this list repeatedly demonstrates (and as we all have probably experienced), it is possible to do things foolishly in any software. Worth

Re: [R] anti-R vitriol

2004-06-29 Thread Roger D. Peng
I'm not too concerned about your colleague's view about R. S/He doesn' have to like it, and I don't think anyone actually believes that R is designed to make *everyone* happy. For me, R does about 99% of the things I need to do, but sadly, when I need to order a pizza, I still have to pick

RE: [R] anti-R vitriol

2004-06-29 Thread Liaw, Andy
From: Barry Rowlingson A colleague is receiving some data from another person. That person reads the data in SAS and it takes 30s and uses 64k RAM. That person then tries to read the data in R and it takes 10 minutes and uses a gigabyte of RAM. Person then goes on to say: It's not

Re: [R] anti-R vitriol

2004-06-29 Thread Gabor Grothendieck
Barry Rowlingson B.Rowlingson at lancaster.ac.uk writes: : A colleague is receiving some data from another person. That person : reads the data in SAS and it takes 30s and uses 64k RAM. That person : then tries to read the data in R and it takes 10 minutes and uses a : gigabyte of RAM. Person

[OT] Ordering pizza [was Re: [R] anti-R vitriol]

2004-06-29 Thread Douglas Bates
Roger D. Peng wrote: I'm not too concerned about your colleague's view about R. S/He doesn' have to like it, and I don't think anyone actually believes that R is designed to make *everyone* happy. For me, R does about 99% of the things I need to do, but sadly, when I need to order a pizza, I

Re: [OT] Ordering pizza [was Re: [R] anti-R vitriol]

2004-06-29 Thread Rolf Turner
Dang! You're making me hungry! cheers, Rolf Turner __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list https://www.stat.math.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide!

Re: [OT] Ordering pizza [was Re: [R] anti-R vitriol]

2004-06-29 Thread Prof Brian Ripley
On Tue, 29 Jun 2004, Douglas Bates wrote: Roger D. Peng wrote: I'm not too concerned about your colleague's view about R. S/He doesn' have to like it, and I don't think anyone actually believes that R is designed to make *everyone* happy. For me, R does about 99% of the things I

Re: [R] anti-R vitriol

2004-06-29 Thread A.J. Rossini
Barry Rowlingson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's not that I think SAS is such great software, it's not. But I really hate badly designed software. R is designed by committee. Worse, it's designed by a committee of statisticians. They tend to confuse numerical analysis with