Re: [R] storing the estimates from lmer

2006-07-17 Thread Dieter Menne
Douglas Bates bates at stat.wisc.edu writes: . I encourage users of lmer who wish to determine the precision of the estimates of the variance components to create a Markov chain Monte Carlo sample of the parameters and evaluate the HPDintervals. sm1 - mcmcsamp(fm1, 5)

Re: [R] storing the estimates from lmer

2006-07-17 Thread Göran Broström
On 7/15/06, Douglas Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Spencer, [] rant Some software, notably SAS PROC MIXED, does produce standard errors for the estimates of variances and covariances of random effects. In my opinion this is more harmful than helpful. The only use I can imagine for

Re: [R] storing the estimates from lmer

2006-07-17 Thread Douglas Bates
On 7/17/06, Göran Broström [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/15/06, Douglas Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [] rant Some software, notably SAS PROC MIXED, does produce standard errors for the estimates of variances and covariances of random effects. In my opinion this is more harmful

Re: [R] storing the estimates from lmer

2006-07-15 Thread Spencer Graves
The structure of 'lmer' objects and helper functions is outlined in the 'lmer' and 'lmer-class' help pages. The latter mentions 'vcov 'signature(object = mer)': Calculate variance-covariance matrix of the _fixed_ effect terms, see also 'vcov'. Thus, sqrt(diag(vcov(lmer.object)))

Re: [R] storing the estimates from lmer

2006-07-15 Thread Spencer Graves
p.s. I intended to include the following extension to an example from the 'lmer' help page: fm1 - lmer(Reaction ~ Days + (Days|Subject), sleepstudy) (fm1.fix - fixef(fm1)) (fm1.fix.se - sqrt(diag(vcov(fm1 fm1.fix/fm1.fix.se fm1.ran - VarCorr(fm1) diag(fm1.ran$Subject)

Re: [R] storing the estimates from lmer

2006-07-15 Thread Douglas Bates
Hi Spencer, On 7/15/06, Spencer Graves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: p.s. I intended to include the following extension to an example from the 'lmer' help page: fm1 - lmer(Reaction ~ Days + (Days|Subject), sleepstudy) (fm1.fix - fixef(fm1)) (fm1.fix.se - sqrt(diag(vcov(fm1

Re: [R] storing the estimates from lmer

2006-07-11 Thread Doran, Harold
You need the VarCorr function. I think you mean that lmer is in the Matrix package. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of prabhu bhaga Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:19 AM To: r-help@stat.math.ethz.ch Subject: [R] storing the estimates

Re: [R] storing the estimates from lmer

2006-07-11 Thread Douglas Bates
On 7/11/06, Doran, Harold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need the VarCorr function. I think you mean that lmer is in the Matrix package. Currently lmer is in the Matrix package. The plan is to move it back to the lme4 package when interpackage linking has been added to R - perhaps as early as