On 19-Dec-04 Frank E Harrell Jr wrote:
Henric Nilsson wrote:
How to fight this? I don't know. Right now I'm thinking, If you can
beat 'em, join 'em and that the way of proving that `some other'
software works is through having similar documents and tools as the
commercial vendors.
On 19-Dec-04 Tim Churches wrote:
Shawn Way wrote:
I've seen multiple comments about MS Excel's precision and accuracy.
Can you please point me in the right direction in locating information
about these?
As always, Google is your friend, but see for example
(Ted Harding) wrote:
On 19-Dec-04 Tim Churches wrote:
Shawn Way wrote:
I've seen multiple comments about MS Excel's precision and accuracy.
Can you please point me in the right direction in locating information
about these?
As always, Google is your friend, but see for example
Marc Schwartz said the following on 2004-12-18 01:19:
As you are likely aware, other statistically relevant issues are
contained in various ICH guidance documents regarding GCP considerations
and principles for clinical trials:
http://www.ich.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]@_TEMPLATE=272
ICH E9 states that
Marc Schwartz wrote:
On Fri, 2004-12-17 at 17:11 -0500, Alexander C Cambon wrote:
I apologize for adding this so late to the SAS or R software
thread.
This is a question, not a reply, but it seems to me to fit in well
with
the subject of this thread.
I would like to know anyone's experiences
Henric Nilsson wrote:
Marc Schwartz said the following on 2004-12-18 01:19:
As you are likely aware, other statistically relevant issues are
contained in various ICH guidance documents regarding GCP considerations
and principles for clinical trials:
http://www.ich.org/[EMAIL
Frank E Harrell Jr said the following on 2004-12-18 15:03:
That is not clear.
Perhaps. And I think this is the issue. From the clients' perspective,
not a single FDA document states that you can use other software than
SAS. They haven't really thought about the fact that there isn't any FDA
There were two earlier threads on this topic:
http://finzi.psych.upenn.edu/R/Rhelp02a/archive/17554.html
http://finzi.psych.upenn.edu/R/Rhelp02a/archive/10706.html
Jon
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Henric Nilsson wrote:
Frank E Harrell Jr said the following on 2004-12-18 15:03:
That is not clear.
Perhaps. And I think this is the issue. From the clients' perspective,
not a single FDA document states that you can use other software than
SAS. They haven't really thought about the fact that
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Jr
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Subject: Re: [R] SAS or R software
Henric Nilsson wrote:
Frank E Harrell Jr said the following on 2004-12-18 15:03
On Sat, 2004-12-18 at 20:54 -0600, Shawn Way wrote:
I've seen multiple comments about MS Excel's precision and accuracy.
Can you please point me in the right direction in locating information
about these?
Thank you very much,
There was an exchange on this last year and I posted some links
Alexander C Cambon wrote:
I apologize for adding this so late to the SAS or R software thread.
This is a question, not a reply, but it seems to me to fit in well with
the subject of this thread.
I would like to know anyone's experiences in the following two areas
below. I should add I have
Alexander C Cambon wrote:
I apologize for adding this so late to the SAS or R software thread.
This is a question, not a reply, but it seems to me to fit in well with
the subject of this thread.
I would like to know anyone's experiences in the following two areas
below. I should add I have
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Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 16:19 PM
To: Alexander C Cambon
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Subject: Re: [R] SAS or R software
On Fri, 2004-12-17 at 17:11 -0500, Alexander C Cambon wrote
- Output delivery system (ODS): *Every* piece of SAS output is an
output object that can be captured as
a dataset, rendered in RTF, LaTeX, HTML, PDF, etc. with a relatively
simple mechanism (including graphs)
ods pdf file='mystuff.pdf'';
any sas stuff
ods pdf close;
R
neela v writes:
Hi all there
Can some one clarify me on this issue, features wise which is
better R or SAS, leaving the commerical aspect associated with it. I
suppose there are few people who have worked on both R and SAS and
wish they would be able to help me in deciding on this.
THank
Hi Neela,
Just my ¢2 regarding the R vs. SAS issue. I started to use SAS since my
undergraduate studies in 1993, and I am now a migrating to R user, and I
hope not to ever go back to SAS.
My comments are:
- SAS is huge it takes over 1GB of space of my PC while R takes just
over 100 MB, this
Hello,
BXC (Bendix Carstensen) schrieb:
Two major advantages of SAS that seems to have been overlooked in
the previous replies are:
1) The data-set language is SAS for data manipulation is more
human-readable than R-code in general.
R is not a definite write-only laguage as APL, but in
I can't resist dipping my oar in here:
For me, some significant advantages of SAS are
- Ability to input data in almost *any* conceivable form using the
combination of features available through
input/infile statements, SAS informats and formats, data step
programming, etc. Dataset manipulation
Michael Friendly wrote:
I can't resist dipping my oar in here:
For me, some significant advantages of SAS are
- Ability to input data in almost *any* conceivable form using the
combination of features available through
input/infile statements, SAS informats and formats, data step
programming,
Hi all there
Can some one clarify me on this issue, features wise which is better R or SAS,
leaving the commerical aspect associated with it. I suppose there are few
people who have worked on both R and SAS and wish they would be able to help me
in deciding on this.
THank you for the help
Hello,
I think you'll get some bias if you do a survey on what software is
better SAS or R in a R mailing list.
Personnaly, what I like in R is :
- the fact to you have to know what you are doing to do it,
- the graphic potential is outstanding (only limited by the
imagination of the user
Hi,
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004, neela v wrote:
Hi all there
Can some one clarify me on this issue, features wise which is better R or
SAS, leaving the commerical aspect associated with it. I suppose there are
few people who have worked on both R and SAS and wish they would be able to
help me
There was at least one previous discussion of SAS vs. R on this
list. I searched my archives (below). The thread begins at
http://finzi.psych.upenn.edu/R/Rhelp01/archive/5947.html
but then changes title.
Two arguments for SAS:
1. You may be working with other people who use it. (That is why
neela v writes:
Hi all there
Can some one clarify me on this issue, features wise which is better R or
SAS, leaving the commerical aspect associated with it. I suppose there are
few people who have worked on both R and SAS and wish they would be able to
help me in deciding on this.
neela v wrote:
Hi all there
Can some one clarify me on this issue, features wise which is better R or SAS, leaving the commerical aspect associated with it. I suppose there are few people who have worked on both R and SAS and wish they would be able to help me in deciding on this.
THank you
neela v wrote:
Can some one clarify me on this issue, features wise which is better
R or SAS, leaving the commerical aspect associated with it. I suppose
there are few people who have worked on both R and SAS and wish they
would be able to help me in deciding on this.
My personal
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Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:18 AM
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Subject: [R] SAS or R
BXC (Bendix Carstensen) wrote:
Two major advantages of SAS that seems to have been overlooked in
the previous replies are:
1) The data-set language is SAS for data manipulation is more
human-readable than R-code in general.
R is not a definite write-only laguage as APL, but in particular
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