Re: [R] Type II and III sum of square in Anova (R, car package)

2006-08-29 Thread John Sorkin
gt; sensible Type-III tests, however. > > I hope this helps, > John > > > John Fox > Department of Sociology > McMaster University > Hamilton, Ontario > Canada L8S 4M4 > 905-525-9140x23604 > http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/jfox > ---

Re: [R] Type II and III sum of square in Anova (R, car package)

2006-08-28 Thread Bill.Venables
I cannot resist a very brief entry into this old and seemingly immortal issue, but I will be very brief, I promise! Amasco Miralisus suggests: > As I understood form R FAQ, there is disagreement among Statisticians > which SS to use > (http://cran.r-project.org/doc/FAQ/R-FAQ.html#Why-does-the-out

Re: [R] Type II and III sum of square in Anova (R, car package)

2006-08-28 Thread John Fox
2:21 PM > To: r-help@stat.math.ethz.ch > Cc: John Fox; Prof Brian Ripley; Mark Lyman > Subject: Re: [R] Type II and III sum of square in Anova (R, > car package) > > Hello, > > First of all, I would like to thank everybody who answered my > question. Every post has added

Re: [R] Type II and III sum of square in Anova (R, car package)

2006-08-28 Thread Amasco Miralisus
I hope this helps, > John > > > John Fox > Department of Sociology > McMaster University > Hamilton, Ontario > Canada L8S 4M4 > 905-525-9140x23604 > http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/jfox > > > > --

Re: [R] Type II and III sum of square in Anova (R, car package)

2006-08-27 Thread John Fox
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Amasco > Miralisus > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 5:07 PM > To: r-help@stat.math.ethz.ch > Subject: [R] Type II and III sum of square in Anova (R, car package) >

Re: [R] Type II and III sum of square in Anova (R, car package)

2006-08-27 Thread Prof Brian Ripley
I think this starts from the position of a batch-oriented package. In R you can refit models with update(), add1() and drop1(), and experienced S/R users almost never use ANOVA tables for unbalanced designs. Rather than fit a pre-specified set of sub-models, why not fit those sub-models that ap

Re: [R] Type II and III sum of square in Anova (R, car package)

2006-08-26 Thread Mark Lyman
> 1. First of all, more general question. Standard anova() function for lm() > or aov() models in R implements Type I sum of squares (sequential), which > is not well suited for unbalanced ANOVA. Therefore it is better to use > Anova() function from car package, which was programmed by John Fox to

[R] Type II and III sum of square in Anova (R, car package)

2006-08-26 Thread Amasco Miralisus
Hello everybody, I have some questions on ANOVA in general and on ANOVA in R particularly. I am not Statistician, therefore I would be very appreciated if you answer it in a simple way. 1. First of all, more general question. Standard anova() function for lm() or aov() models in R implements Type