Re: [R] open source and R

2005-11-15 Thread Barry Rowlingson
Liaw, Andy wrote: However code readability can not be over-emphasized. I must admit to have written R code in such a supposedly `clever' way that I can't figure out what I was trying to do (or how I did it) a week later... The solution to that is to make sure this sort of code is adequately

Re: [R] open source and R

2005-11-15 Thread Jari Oksanen
On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 09:54 +, Barry Rowlingson wrote: Liaw, Andy wrote: However code readability can not be over-emphasized. I must admit to have written R code in such a supposedly `clever' way that I can't figure out what I was trying to do (or how I did it) a week later... The

Re: [R] open source and R

2005-11-15 Thread Martin Maechler
Jari == Jari Oksanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:25:17 +0200 writes: Jari On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 09:54 +, Barry Rowlingson wrote: Liaw, Andy wrote: However code readability can not be over-emphasized. I must admit to have written R code in such a

Re: [R] open source and R

2005-11-14 Thread Ted Harding
On 14-Nov-05 Prof Brian Ripley wrote: On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] There is one aspect though where R users are in the cold when it comes to C and FORTAN. If you want to understand the function 'eigen', say, then you can ?eigen to learn about its usage. You can

Re: [R] open source and R

2005-11-14 Thread Liaw, Andy
Here comes a not-so-nice one: Sorry to be blunt, but I think the current reality is that one's effectiveness in scientific computing is not likely to be high if s/he can't read C for Fortran code. The mode of development for new methods, I believe, should be: - Write it in R (or S-PLUS or

Re: [R] open source and R

2005-11-14 Thread Liaw, Andy
However code readability can not be over-emphasized. I must admit to have written R code in such a supposedly `clever' way that I can't figure out what I was trying to do (or how I did it) a week later... Andy From: Ernesto Jardim Hi, One single comment about the subject of this

Re: [R] open source and R

2005-11-14 Thread Berton Gunter
: Monday, November 14, 2005 2:46 PM To: 'Ernesto Jardim' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; r-help@stat.math.ethz.ch Subject: Re: [R] open source and R However code readability can not be over-emphasized. I must admit to have written R code in such a supposedly `clever' way that I can't figure out what I

[R] open source and R

2005-11-13 Thread Robert
Roger Bivand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Robert wrote: It uses FORTRAN code and not in pure R. The same applies to deldir - it also includes Fortran. So the answer seems to be no, there is no voronoi function only written in R. I am curious about one thing: since the

Re: [R] open source and R

2005-11-13 Thread Roger Bivand
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Robert wrote: Roger Bivand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Robert wrote: It uses FORTRAN code and not in pure R. The same applies to deldir - it also includes Fortran. So the answer seems to be no, there is no voronoi function only written in R.

Re: [R] open source and R

2005-11-13 Thread Robert
If I do not know C or FORTRAN, how can I fully understand the package or possibly improve it? Robert. Roger Bivand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Robert wrote: Roger Bivand wrote: On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Robert wrote: It uses FORTRAN code and not in pure R. The same

Re: [R] open source and R

2005-11-13 Thread Roger Bivand
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Robert wrote: If I do not know C or FORTRAN, how can I fully understand the package or possibly improve it? By learning enough to see whether that makes a difference for your purposes. Life is hard, but that's what makes life interesting ... Robert. Roger Bivand

Re: [R] open source and R

2005-11-13 Thread roger koenker
On Nov 13, 2005, at 3:24 PM, Robert wrote: I am curious about one thing: since the reason for using r is r is a easy-to-learn language and it is good for getting more people involved. Why most of the packages written in r use other languages such as FORTRAN's code? I understand some

Re: [R] open source and R

2005-11-13 Thread Mike Miller
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Roger Bivand wrote: On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Robert wrote: If I do not know C or FORTRAN, how can I fully understand the package or possibly improve it? By learning enough to see whether that makes a difference for your purposes. Life is hard, but that's what makes life

Re: [R] open source and R

2005-11-13 Thread Ted Harding
On 13-Nov-05 Roger Bivand wrote: On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Robert wrote: If I do not know C or FORTRAN, how can I fully understand the package or possibly improve it? By learning enough to see whether that makes a difference for your purposes. Life is hard, but that's what makes life

Re: [R] open source and R

2005-11-13 Thread Robert
Thanks for all the nice discussions. Though different users have various needs from R, It's always good to stand on the shoulders of giants (as roger said). How far we will see depends our ability to understand what have been done by other languages. The package written in pure R might be

Re: [R] open source and R

2005-11-13 Thread Prof Brian Ripley
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] There is one aspect though where R users are in the cold when it comes to C and FORTAN. If you want to understand the function 'eigen', say, then you can ?eigen to learn about its usage. You can enter eigen to see the R code, and indeed that