Re: [R] generalized linear mixed models - how to compare?

2005-04-20 Thread Nestor Fernandez
Dear all, Thanks for the responses to this post. I understand that the topic still requires more research. However, I am a non-statistician in a desperate need to analyze my ecological data with the currently available tools. Please excuse again my non-expert question: Would I commit a huge

Re: [R] generalized linear mixed models - how to compare?

2005-04-20 Thread Prof Brian Ripley
On Wed, 20 Apr 2005, Nestor Fernandez wrote: Dear all, Thanks for the responses to this post. I understand that the topic still requires more research. However, I am a non-statistician in a desperate need to analyze my ecological data with the currently available tools. Please excuse again my

Re: [R] generalized linear mixed models - how to compare?

2005-04-19 Thread Andrew Criswell
Hello All: Should I conclude from this discussion that there is no practical means by which nested generalized mixed models can be compared from output produced through glmmPQL or GLMM? What is one then to do??? Andrew On Sun, 17 Apr 2005, Deepayan Sarkar wrote: On Sunday 17 April 2005

RE: [R] generalized linear mixed models - how to compare?

2005-04-19 Thread Bill.Venables
Andrew Criswell asks: Hello All: Should I conclude from this discussion that there is no practical means by which nested generalized mixed models can be compared from output produced through glmmPQL or GLMM? [WNV] The picture is, in my view, not as bleak as

Re: [R] generalized linear mixed models - how to compare?

2005-04-18 Thread Peter Spreeuwenberg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [R] generalized linear mixed models - how to compare? Copies to: r-help@stat.math.ethz.ch, Nestor Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 17 Apr 2005, Deepayan Sarkar wrote: On Sunday 17 April 2005 08:39, Nestor Fernandez wrote: I

Re: [R] generalized linear mixed models - how to compare?

2005-04-18 Thread Spencer Graves
: Prof Brian Ripley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Deepayan Sarkar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [R] generalized linear mixed models - how to compare? Copies to: r-help@stat.math.ethz.ch, Nestor Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 17 Apr 2005, Deepayan

Re: [R] generalized linear mixed models - how to compare?

2005-04-17 Thread Deepayan Sarkar
On Sunday 17 April 2005 08:39, Nestor Fernandez wrote: Dear all, I want to evaluate several generalized linear mixed models, including the null model, and select the best approximating one. I have tried glmmPQL (MASS library) and GLMM (lme4) to fit the models. Both result in similar

Re: [R] generalized linear mixed models - how to compare?

2005-04-17 Thread Prof Brian Ripley
On Sun, 17 Apr 2005, Deepayan Sarkar wrote: On Sunday 17 April 2005 08:39, Nestor Fernandez wrote: I want to evaluate several generalized linear mixed models, including the null model, and select the best approximating one. I have tried glmmPQL (MASS library) and GLMM (lme4) to fit the models.

Re: [R] generalized linear mixed models - how to compare?

2005-04-17 Thread Deepayan Sarkar
On Sunday 17 April 2005 12:07, Prof Brian Ripley wrote: On Sun, 17 Apr 2005, Deepayan Sarkar wrote: [...] GLMM uses (mostly) the same procedure to get parameter estimates, but as a final step calculates the likelihood for the correct model for those estimates (so the likelihood reported