Re: [R] significance in difference of proportions: What problema

2003-12-01 Thread Torsten Hothorn
On 28-Nov-03 Torsten Hothorn wrote: yes, thats my understanding too. The enumerative techniques as you call it condition on the data actually observed and determine the null distribution of the associated test statistic from the data. In contrast, unconditional procedures require some

RE: [R] significance in difference of proportions

2003-12-01 Thread Arne.Muller
Hello, thanks for the replies to this subject. I'm using a fisher.test to test if the proportions of my 2 samples are different (see Ted's example below). The assumption was that the two samples are from the same population and that they may contain a different number of positives (due to

Re: [R] significance in difference of proportions: What problema

2003-11-29 Thread Ted Harding
On 28-Nov-03 Torsten Hothorn wrote: yes, thats my understanding too. The enumerative techniques as you call it condition on the data actually observed and determine the null distribution of the associated test statistic from the data. In contrast, unconditional procedures require some

Re: [R] significance in difference of proportions: What problemareyou solving?

2003-11-28 Thread Torsten Hothorn
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Spencer Graves wrote: Hi, Torsten: Thanks for the reference to library(exactRankTests). That seems like a reasonable alternative to prop.test with small samples. However, aren't exact tests and the related bootstrap methodology what Deming called

Re: [R] significance in difference of proportions

2003-11-27 Thread Jonathan Baron
On 11/27/03 17:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm looking for some guidance with the following problem: I've 2 samples A (111 items) and B (10 items) drawn from the same unknown population. Witihn A I find 9 positives and in B 0 positives. I'd like to know if the 2 samples A and B are

Re: [R] significance in difference of proportions

2003-11-27 Thread Torsten Hothorn
Hello, I'm looking for some guidance with the following problem: I've 2 samples A (111 items) and B (10 items) drawn from the same unknown population. Witihn A I find 9 positives and in B 0 positives. I'd like to know if the 2 samples A and B are different, ie is there a way to find out

Re: [R] significance in difference of proportions: What problem are you solving?

2003-11-27 Thread Spencer Graves
Hi, Torsten: Thanks for the reference to library(exactRankTests). That seems like a reasonable alternative to prop.test with small samples. However, aren't exact tests and the related bootstrap methodology what Deming called enumerative techniques, more relating to describing a