Re: [R] model simplification using Crawley as a guide

2010-01-05 Thread hpdutra
So here is some information that I hope gets criticized by the higher-intelligences that posted on this topic. Beware that I'm not a statistician and I'm just saying about what I think is correct. First, before fitting any model, check the distribution of your data, in some cases a simple anova

Re: [R] model simplification using Crawley as a guide

2008-06-13 Thread Jim Lemon
Peter Dalgaard wrote: ... That'll be anti-hist()-amine, I presume? I would think p-necillin a more appropriate treatment. Jim __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide

Re: [R] model simplification using Crawley as a guide

2008-06-12 Thread Peter Dalgaard
Simon Blomberg wrote: Good points Ben. For now I'd recommend simply that the allergic reaction to insignificant statistical tests be treated with an antihistamine :-) A vote for Frank's comment to be added to the 'fortunes' package. Seconded! :-) That'll be

Re: [R] model simplification using Crawley as a guide

2008-06-12 Thread Marc Schwartz
on 06/12/2008 09:37 AM Peter Dalgaard wrote: Simon Blomberg wrote: Good points Ben. For now I'd recommend simply that the allergic reaction to insignificant statistical tests be treated with an antihistamine :-) A vote for Frank's comment to be added to the 'fortunes' package.

Re: [R] model simplification using Crawley as a guide

2008-06-11 Thread Peter Dalgaard
ChCh wrote: Hello, I have consciously avoided using step() for model simplification in favour of manually updating the model by removing non-significant terms one at a time. I'm using The R Book by M.J. Crawley as a guide. It comes as no surprise that my analysis does proceed as smoothly as

Re: [R] model simplification using Crawley as a guide

2008-06-11 Thread Frank E Harrell Jr
ChCh wrote: Hello, I have consciously avoided using step() for model simplification in favour of manually updating the model by removing non-significant terms one at a time. I'm using The R Book by M.J. Crawley as a guide. It comes as no surprise that my analysis does proceed as smoothly as

Re: [R] model simplification using Crawley as a guide

2008-06-11 Thread hadley wickham
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 6:42 AM, Frank E Harrell Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ChCh wrote: Hello, I have consciously avoided using step() for model simplification in favour of manually updating the model by removing non-significant terms one at a time. I'm using The R Book by M.J. Crawley as

Re: [R] model simplification using Crawley as a guide

2008-06-11 Thread Lucke, Joseph F
To: Frank E Harrell Jr Cc: r-help@r-project.org; ChCh Subject: Re: [R] model simplification using Crawley as a guide On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 6:42 AM, Frank E Harrell Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ChCh wrote: Hello, I have consciously avoided using step() for model simplification in favour

Re: [R] model simplification using Crawley as a guide

2008-06-11 Thread Ben Bolker
Lucke, Joseph F Joseph.F.Lucke at uth.tmc.edu writes: And to follow FH and HW What level of significance are you using? .05 is excessively liberal. Are you adjusting your p-values for the number of possible models? Do you realize the p-values for dropping a term, being selected as the

Re: [R] model simplification using Crawley as a guide

2008-06-11 Thread Frank E Harrell Jr
Ben Bolker wrote: Lucke, Joseph F Joseph.F.Lucke at uth.tmc.edu writes: And to follow FH and HW What level of significance are you using? .05 is excessively liberal. Are you adjusting your p-values for the number of possible models? Do you realize the p-values for dropping a term, being

Re: [R] model simplification using Crawley as a guide

2008-06-11 Thread Marc Schwartz
on 06/11/2008 05:53 PM Frank E Harrell Jr wrote: Ben Bolker wrote: Lucke, Joseph F Joseph.F.Lucke at uth.tmc.edu writes: And to follow FH and HW What level of significance are you using? .05 is excessively liberal. Are you adjusting your p-values for the number of possible models? Do you

Re: [R] model simplification using Crawley as a guide

2008-06-11 Thread Simon Blomberg
Good points Ben. For now I'd recommend simply that the allergic reaction to insignificant statistical tests be treated with an antihistamine :-) A vote for Frank's comment to be added to the 'fortunes' package. Seconded! :-) :-) Regards, Marc