Re: [R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis
It's easier to install a package from CRAN than from Github, but not all that much easier. If it's too much trouble to satisfy CRAN, then don't bother. Just post instructions on how to do a Github install of it and move on to other things. (I'd post those instructions in a README.md file on the Github site, so when people follow your link they'll find the description.) Duncan Murdoch On 28/06/2020 12:07 p.m., Charles Geyer wrote: I have a package that has the datasets for Categorical Data Analysis by Agresti that do not appear in the book. The whole package is a github repo https://github.com/cjgeyer/CatDataAnalysis. All of the data were translated mechanically using the R script foo.R included in the repo (but not in the package) from Agresti's web site http://www.stat.ufl.edu/~aa/cda/data.html. This package seems to be a useful service to students and teachers. The data are much simpler to use with this package than trying to get the data from Agresti's web page (foo.R has 277 lines of code). When I submitted the package to CRAN, I got the following response. The Description field of the DESCRIPTION file is intended to be a (one paragraph) description of what the package does and why it may be useful. Please elaborate. Tell the users what the datasets are about and what they contain so they can use them even when they haven't read your book. Please fix and resubmit, and document what was changed in the submission comments. In an alternate universe without copyright law this seems a reasonable request. In this universe it seems to be asking for trouble. I know about fair use, but I am not a lawyer and do not want to walk the borderline between fair use and copyright violation. The package as it is seems OK because it comes from the author's public web site and these data were never in the book. Please note that I made Alan Agresti (with his acquiescence) the author of the package because it is his book and his data, but I (or rather foo.R) did all the work. I replied to cran.r-project.org, but that was apparently sent to /dev/null. This book is IMHO the authoritative textbook on the subject. Amazon sales rank agrees. The book is used for many courses. So this package would be very helpful as is to many students and teachers. So what to do? Is there any way to get this package on CRAN? __ R-package-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel
Re: [R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis
Data are not copyrightable. As long as you do not use the exact phrases from the book you should be okay. But if you don't agree, then you should not proceed, and complaining here is not going to fix this. On June 28, 2020 11:22:41 AM PDT, Charles Geyer wrote: >That's where the copyright violation comes in. Copying descriptions >from >the book is clear copyright violation unless it is so minimal as to be >"fair use" and I have no idea where that line is. Even Alan may not be >free to add such descriptions. I have no idea what his contract with >Wiley >says. > >So like I said in my original posting, good idea in an alternative >universe >where copyright law does not exist. > >On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 1:13 PM Jeff Newmiller > >wrote: > >> Just describe the nature of the data sets literally as though the >book was >> inaccessible. They are not asking you to describe how one should >analyze >> the the data, so there really shouldn't be any conflict with the book >> content that your agreement with the author has not already resolved. >> >> If you feel you are being held to a higher standard than others have >> been... that is life. As a user of packages I agree with the CRAN >that >> package documention should be usable on its own. >> >> On June 28, 2020 10:58:15 AM PDT, Charles Geyer > >> wrote: >> >CRAN did not just ask for an expanded Description field. They >> >instructed >> >"Tell the users what the datasets are about and what they contain so >> >they >> >can use them even when they haven't read your book". AFAIK no CRAN >> >package >> >that goes with a book satisfies that. >> > >> >On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:52 PM Max Turgeon > >> >wrote: >> > >> >> Fair enough. But CRAN is clearly asking for a more detailed >> >Description >> >> field. I simply offered one suggestion for expanding it. Keep in >mind >> >> that users will typically see the DESCRIPTION file first, and not >the >> >help >> >> pages. >> >> >> >> >> >> Max Turgeon >> >> Assistant Professor >> >> Department of Statistics >> >> Department of Computer Science >> >> University of Manitoba >> >> maxturgeon.ca >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> *From:* Charles Geyer >> >> *Sent:* June 28, 2020 12:48:06 PM >> >> *To:* Max Turgeon >> >> *Cc:* R Package Development >> >> *Subject:* Re: [R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis >> >> >> >> *Caution:* This message was sent from outside the University of >> >Manitoba. >> >> The link to Alan's web site is on every help page (in the source >> >> section). That's where the source is supposed to be. >> >> >> >> I have no problem with adding the source to the DESCRIPTION file, >but >> >that >> >> is not what CRAN asked me to do. >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:16 PM Max Turgeon >> > >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> For what it's worth, I'd be inclined to interpreting CRAN's >response >> >>> *very* literally, i.e. your Description field is not descriptive >> >enough. >> >>> According to what I can see in the Github repo, you only have >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> "Datasets used in the book Categorical Data Analysis by Agresti >but >> >not >> >>> printed in the book." >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Which is not much more than what the Title field says. One >glaring >> >>> omission (IMO) from the Description field is any mention of >> >Agresti's >> >>> website, where the data comes from. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> In contrast, looking at the "woolridge" package, I can see from >the >> >>> Description field that it contains 111 datasets (well, that's in >the >> >Title >> >>> field), it's about econometrics, and the purpose of the package >is >> >to make >> >>> it easier for students to work with these datasets. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Max Turgeon >> >>> Assistant Professor >> >>> Department of Statistics >> >>> Department of Computer Science >> >>
Re: [R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis
That's where the copyright violation comes in. Copying descriptions from the book is clear copyright violation unless it is so minimal as to be "fair use" and I have no idea where that line is. Even Alan may not be free to add such descriptions. I have no idea what his contract with Wiley says. So like I said in my original posting, good idea in an alternative universe where copyright law does not exist. On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 1:13 PM Jeff Newmiller wrote: > Just describe the nature of the data sets literally as though the book was > inaccessible. They are not asking you to describe how one should analyze > the the data, so there really shouldn't be any conflict with the book > content that your agreement with the author has not already resolved. > > If you feel you are being held to a higher standard than others have > been... that is life. As a user of packages I agree with the CRAN that > package documention should be usable on its own. > > On June 28, 2020 10:58:15 AM PDT, Charles Geyer > wrote: > >CRAN did not just ask for an expanded Description field. They > >instructed > >"Tell the users what the datasets are about and what they contain so > >they > >can use them even when they haven't read your book". AFAIK no CRAN > >package > >that goes with a book satisfies that. > > > >On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:52 PM Max Turgeon > >wrote: > > > >> Fair enough. But CRAN is clearly asking for a more detailed > >Description > >> field. I simply offered one suggestion for expanding it. Keep in mind > >> that users will typically see the DESCRIPTION file first, and not the > >help > >> pages. > >> > >> > >> Max Turgeon > >> Assistant Professor > >> Department of Statistics > >> Department of Computer Science > >> University of Manitoba > >> maxturgeon.ca > >> > >> > >> -- > >> *From:* Charles Geyer > >> *Sent:* June 28, 2020 12:48:06 PM > >> *To:* Max Turgeon > >> *Cc:* R Package Development > >> *Subject:* Re: [R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis > >> > >> *Caution:* This message was sent from outside the University of > >Manitoba. > >> The link to Alan's web site is on every help page (in the source > >> section). That's where the source is supposed to be. > >> > >> I have no problem with adding the source to the DESCRIPTION file, but > >that > >> is not what CRAN asked me to do. > >> > >> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:16 PM Max Turgeon > > > >> wrote: > >> > >>> For what it's worth, I'd be inclined to interpreting CRAN's response > >>> *very* literally, i.e. your Description field is not descriptive > >enough. > >>> According to what I can see in the Github repo, you only have > >>> > >>> > >>> "Datasets used in the book Categorical Data Analysis by Agresti but > >not > >>> printed in the book." > >>> > >>> > >>> Which is not much more than what the Title field says. One glaring > >>> omission (IMO) from the Description field is any mention of > >Agresti's > >>> website, where the data comes from. > >>> > >>> > >>> In contrast, looking at the "woolridge" package, I can see from the > >>> Description field that it contains 111 datasets (well, that's in the > >Title > >>> field), it's about econometrics, and the purpose of the package is > >to make > >>> it easier for students to work with these datasets. > >>> > >>> > >>> Max Turgeon > >>> Assistant Professor > >>> Department of Statistics > >>> Department of Computer Science > >>> University of Manitoba > >>> maxturgeon.ca > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> *From:* R-package-devel on > >>> behalf of Charles Geyer > >>> *Sent:* June 28, 2020 11:38 AM > >>> *To:* Neal Fultz > >>> *Cc:* R Package Development > >>> *Subject:* Re: [R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis > >>> > >>> > >>> Caution: This message was sent from outside the University of > >Manitoba. > >>> &
Re: [R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis
That's a good idea about adding some licence info to the web page, but note that Agresti is not the original source of any of this data. Some of it was published in subject matter papers by the scientists involved. For some perhaps (I don't know) Alan got the whole data set via consulting and the whole data (as opposed to summary statistics) was never published. This is the case for almost all real data that statisticians re-analyze for examples. There is no "licence" and AFAIK (IANAL) none is needed. If there were most textbooks and most papers in statistics would be in violation of law. On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 1:08 PM Ivan Krylov wrote: > On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 11:07:46 -0500 > Charles Geyer wrote: > > >Please note that I made Alan Agresti (with his acquiescence) the > >author of the package > > Sorry to derail this, but is it possible for Alan Agresti to add a line > to the page [*] allowing redistribution of the data, preferably under > the terms of a well-known license such as CC BY-NC [**] or ODbL [***]? > As it stands, CRAN only has your word (and the fact that this whole > thread is Cc: to Prof. Agresti) that Alan Agresti agreed to have the > data published as an R package. It might be needed to allow creating > derivative works to make creating such a package feasible, though > (otherwise I would assume that only literal redistribution is allowed). > > With that done, you could be much more comfortable providing the > requested description for the package, no? > > -- > Best regards, > Ivan > > [*] http://www.stat.ufl.edu/~aa/cda/data.html > [**] https://creativecommons.org/licenses/ > [***] https://opendatacommons.org/licenses/ > -- Charles Geyer Professor, School of Statistics Resident Fellow, Minnesota Center for Philosophy of Science University of Minnesota char...@stat.umn.edu [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-package-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel
Re: [R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis
Just describe the nature of the data sets literally as though the book was inaccessible. They are not asking you to describe how one should analyze the the data, so there really shouldn't be any conflict with the book content that your agreement with the author has not already resolved. If you feel you are being held to a higher standard than others have been... that is life. As a user of packages I agree with the CRAN that package documention should be usable on its own. On June 28, 2020 10:58:15 AM PDT, Charles Geyer wrote: >CRAN did not just ask for an expanded Description field. They >instructed >"Tell the users what the datasets are about and what they contain so >they >can use them even when they haven't read your book". AFAIK no CRAN >package >that goes with a book satisfies that. > >On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:52 PM Max Turgeon >wrote: > >> Fair enough. But CRAN is clearly asking for a more detailed >Description >> field. I simply offered one suggestion for expanding it. Keep in mind >> that users will typically see the DESCRIPTION file first, and not the >help >> pages. >> >> >> Max Turgeon >> Assistant Professor >> Department of Statistics >> Department of Computer Science >> University of Manitoba >> maxturgeon.ca >> >> >> ---------- >> *From:* Charles Geyer >> *Sent:* June 28, 2020 12:48:06 PM >> *To:* Max Turgeon >> *Cc:* R Package Development >> *Subject:* Re: [R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis >> >> *Caution:* This message was sent from outside the University of >Manitoba. >> The link to Alan's web site is on every help page (in the source >> section). That's where the source is supposed to be. >> >> I have no problem with adding the source to the DESCRIPTION file, but >that >> is not what CRAN asked me to do. >> >> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:16 PM Max Turgeon > >> wrote: >> >>> For what it's worth, I'd be inclined to interpreting CRAN's response >>> *very* literally, i.e. your Description field is not descriptive >enough. >>> According to what I can see in the Github repo, you only have >>> >>> >>> "Datasets used in the book Categorical Data Analysis by Agresti but >not >>> printed in the book." >>> >>> >>> Which is not much more than what the Title field says. One glaring >>> omission (IMO) from the Description field is any mention of >Agresti's >>> website, where the data comes from. >>> >>> >>> In contrast, looking at the "woolridge" package, I can see from the >>> Description field that it contains 111 datasets (well, that's in the >Title >>> field), it's about econometrics, and the purpose of the package is >to make >>> it easier for students to work with these datasets. >>> >>> >>> Max Turgeon >>> Assistant Professor >>> Department of Statistics >>> Department of Computer Science >>> University of Manitoba >>> maxturgeon.ca >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *From:* R-package-devel on >>> behalf of Charles Geyer >>> *Sent:* June 28, 2020 11:38 AM >>> *To:* Neal Fultz >>> *Cc:* R Package Development >>> *Subject:* Re: [R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis >>> >>> >>> Caution: This message was sent from outside the University of >Manitoba. >>> >>> >>> Actually the wooldridge package does not seem to satisfy any of the >>> specific requests CRAN asked me for. I have checked several other >CRAN >>> packages for textbooks and they don't seem to satisfy those >requirements >>> either. So this seems to be a new idea from CRAN. >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM Neal Fultz >wrote: >>> >>> > I'm not sure exactly what cran is asking for, but the wooldridge >>> > package is a good example of a text book data set package, so >maybe >>> > you can use the same format they did. >>> > >>> > https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/wooldridge/index.html >>> > >>> > Best, >>> > >>> > Neal >>> > >>> > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 9:08 AM Charles Geyer > >>> > wrote: >>> > > >>>
Re: [R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis
Charlie, The folks at CRAN try hard to serve everyone, but sometimes they wind up making up rules as they go along. I'd add another sentence or two about the data, perhaps with an eye towards the wide world of "citizen data scientists" who don't know about Alan's book. Then resubmit the package with a note that you've addressed their concerns the best you can, and see what happens. Steve On Sun, Jun 28, 2020, 10:58 AM Charles Geyer wrote: > CRAN did not just ask for an expanded Description field. They instructed > "Tell the users what the datasets are about and what they contain so they > can use them even when they haven't read your book". AFAIK no CRAN package > that goes with a book satisfies that. > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:52 PM Max Turgeon > wrote: > > > Fair enough. But CRAN is clearly asking for a more detailed Description > > field. I simply offered one suggestion for expanding it. Keep in mind > > that users will typically see the DESCRIPTION file first, and not the > help > > pages. > > > > > > Max Turgeon > > Assistant Professor > > Department of Statistics > > Department of Computer Science > > University of Manitoba > > maxturgeon.ca > > > > > > -------------- > > *From:* Charles Geyer > > *Sent:* June 28, 2020 12:48:06 PM > > *To:* Max Turgeon > > *Cc:* R Package Development > > *Subject:* Re: [R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis > > > > *Caution:* This message was sent from outside the University of Manitoba. > > The link to Alan's web site is on every help page (in the source > > section). That's where the source is supposed to be. > > > > I have no problem with adding the source to the DESCRIPTION file, but > that > > is not what CRAN asked me to do. > > > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:16 PM Max Turgeon > > wrote: > > > >> For what it's worth, I'd be inclined to interpreting CRAN's response > >> *very* literally, i.e. your Description field is not descriptive enough. > >> According to what I can see in the Github repo, you only have > >> > >> > >> "Datasets used in the book Categorical Data Analysis by Agresti but not > >> printed in the book." > >> > >> > >> Which is not much more than what the Title field says. One glaring > >> omission (IMO) from the Description field is any mention of Agresti's > >> website, where the data comes from. > >> > >> > >> In contrast, looking at the "woolridge" package, I can see from the > >> Description field that it contains 111 datasets (well, that's in the > Title > >> field), it's about econometrics, and the purpose of the package is to > make > >> it easier for students to work with these datasets. > >> > >> > >> Max Turgeon > >> Assistant Professor > >> Department of Statistics > >> Department of Computer Science > >> University of Manitoba > >> maxturgeon.ca > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> *From:* R-package-devel on > >> behalf of Charles Geyer > >> *Sent:* June 28, 2020 11:38 AM > >> *To:* Neal Fultz > >> *Cc:* R Package Development > >> *Subject:* Re: [R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis > >> > >> > >> Caution: This message was sent from outside the University of Manitoba. > >> > >> > >> Actually the wooldridge package does not seem to satisfy any of the > >> specific requests CRAN asked me for. I have checked several other CRAN > >> packages for textbooks and they don't seem to satisfy those requirements > >> either. So this seems to be a new idea from CRAN. > >> > >> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM Neal Fultz wrote: > >> > >> > I'm not sure exactly what cran is asking for, but the wooldridge > >> > package is a good example of a text book data set package, so maybe > >> > you can use the same format they did. > >> > > >> > https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/wooldridge/index.html > >> > > >> > Best, > >> > > >> > Neal > >> > > >> > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 9:08 AM Charles Geyer > >> > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > I have a pa
Re: [R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 11:07:46 -0500 Charles Geyer wrote: >Please note that I made Alan Agresti (with his acquiescence) the >author of the package Sorry to derail this, but is it possible for Alan Agresti to add a line to the page [*] allowing redistribution of the data, preferably under the terms of a well-known license such as CC BY-NC [**] or ODbL [***]? As it stands, CRAN only has your word (and the fact that this whole thread is Cc: to Prof. Agresti) that Alan Agresti agreed to have the data published as an R package. It might be needed to allow creating derivative works to make creating such a package feasible, though (otherwise I would assume that only literal redistribution is allowed). With that done, you could be much more comfortable providing the requested description for the package, no? -- Best regards, Ivan [*] http://www.stat.ufl.edu/~aa/cda/data.html [**] https://creativecommons.org/licenses/ [***] https://opendatacommons.org/licenses/ __ R-package-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel
Re: [R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis
CRAN did not just ask for an expanded Description field. They instructed "Tell the users what the datasets are about and what they contain so they can use them even when they haven't read your book". AFAIK no CRAN package that goes with a book satisfies that. On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:52 PM Max Turgeon wrote: > Fair enough. But CRAN is clearly asking for a more detailed Description > field. I simply offered one suggestion for expanding it. Keep in mind > that users will typically see the DESCRIPTION file first, and not the help > pages. > > > Max Turgeon > Assistant Professor > Department of Statistics > Department of Computer Science > University of Manitoba > maxturgeon.ca > > > -- > *From:* Charles Geyer > *Sent:* June 28, 2020 12:48:06 PM > *To:* Max Turgeon > *Cc:* R Package Development > *Subject:* Re: [R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis > > *Caution:* This message was sent from outside the University of Manitoba. > The link to Alan's web site is on every help page (in the source > section). That's where the source is supposed to be. > > I have no problem with adding the source to the DESCRIPTION file, but that > is not what CRAN asked me to do. > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:16 PM Max Turgeon > wrote: > >> For what it's worth, I'd be inclined to interpreting CRAN's response >> *very* literally, i.e. your Description field is not descriptive enough. >> According to what I can see in the Github repo, you only have >> >> >> "Datasets used in the book Categorical Data Analysis by Agresti but not >> printed in the book." >> >> >> Which is not much more than what the Title field says. One glaring >> omission (IMO) from the Description field is any mention of Agresti's >> website, where the data comes from. >> >> >> In contrast, looking at the "woolridge" package, I can see from the >> Description field that it contains 111 datasets (well, that's in the Title >> field), it's about econometrics, and the purpose of the package is to make >> it easier for students to work with these datasets. >> >> >> Max Turgeon >> Assistant Professor >> Department of Statistics >> Department of Computer Science >> University of Manitoba >> maxturgeon.ca >> >> >> >> >> -- >> *From:* R-package-devel on >> behalf of Charles Geyer >> *Sent:* June 28, 2020 11:38 AM >> *To:* Neal Fultz >> *Cc:* R Package Development >> *Subject:* Re: [R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis >> >> >> Caution: This message was sent from outside the University of Manitoba. >> >> >> Actually the wooldridge package does not seem to satisfy any of the >> specific requests CRAN asked me for. I have checked several other CRAN >> packages for textbooks and they don't seem to satisfy those requirements >> either. So this seems to be a new idea from CRAN. >> >> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM Neal Fultz wrote: >> >> > I'm not sure exactly what cran is asking for, but the wooldridge >> > package is a good example of a text book data set package, so maybe >> > you can use the same format they did. >> > >> > https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/wooldridge/index.html >> > >> > Best, >> > >> > Neal >> > >> > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 9:08 AM Charles Geyer >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > I have a package that has the datasets for Categorical Data Analysis >> by >> > > Agresti that do not appear in the book. The whole package is a github >> > repo >> > > https://github.com/cjgeyer/CatDataAnalysis. All of the data were >> > > translated mechanically using the R script foo.R included in the repo >> > (but >> > > not in the package) from Agresti's web site >> > > http://www.stat.ufl.edu/~aa/cda/data.html. >> > > >> > > This package seems to be a useful service to students and teachers. >> The >> > > data >> > > are much simpler to use with this package than trying to get the data >> > from >> > > Agresti's web page (foo.R has 277 lines of code). >> > > >> > > When I submitted the package to CRAN, I got the following response. >> > > >> > > > The Description field of the DESCRIPT
Re: [R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis
The link to Alan's web site is on every help page (in the source section). That's where the source is supposed to be. I have no problem with adding the source to the DESCRIPTION file, but that is not what CRAN asked me to do. On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:16 PM Max Turgeon wrote: > For what it's worth, I'd be inclined to interpreting CRAN's response > *very* literally, i.e. your Description field is not descriptive enough. > According to what I can see in the Github repo, you only have > > > "Datasets used in the book Categorical Data Analysis by Agresti but not > printed in the book." > > > Which is not much more than what the Title field says. One glaring > omission (IMO) from the Description field is any mention of Agresti's > website, where the data comes from. > > > In contrast, looking at the "woolridge" package, I can see from the > Description field that it contains 111 datasets (well, that's in the Title > field), it's about econometrics, and the purpose of the package is to make > it easier for students to work with these datasets. > > > Max Turgeon > Assistant Professor > Department of Statistics > Department of Computer Science > University of Manitoba > maxturgeon.ca > > > > > -- > *From:* R-package-devel on behalf > of Charles Geyer > *Sent:* June 28, 2020 11:38 AM > *To:* Neal Fultz > *Cc:* R Package Development > *Subject:* Re: [R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis > > > Caution: This message was sent from outside the University of Manitoba. > > > Actually the wooldridge package does not seem to satisfy any of the > specific requests CRAN asked me for. I have checked several other CRAN > packages for textbooks and they don't seem to satisfy those requirements > either. So this seems to be a new idea from CRAN. > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM Neal Fultz wrote: > > > I'm not sure exactly what cran is asking for, but the wooldridge > > package is a good example of a text book data set package, so maybe > > you can use the same format they did. > > > > https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/wooldridge/index.html > > > > Best, > > > > Neal > > > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 9:08 AM Charles Geyer > > wrote: > > > > > > I have a package that has the datasets for Categorical Data Analysis by > > > Agresti that do not appear in the book. The whole package is a github > > repo > > > https://github.com/cjgeyer/CatDataAnalysis. All of the data were > > > translated mechanically using the R script foo.R included in the repo > > (but > > > not in the package) from Agresti's web site > > > http://www.stat.ufl.edu/~aa/cda/data.html. > > > > > > This package seems to be a useful service to students and teachers. > The > > > data > > > are much simpler to use with this package than trying to get the data > > from > > > Agresti's web page (foo.R has 277 lines of code). > > > > > > When I submitted the package to CRAN, I got the following response. > > > > > > > The Description field of the DESCRIPTION file is intended to be a > (one > > > > paragraph) description of what the package does and why it may be > > > > useful. Please elaborate. Tell the users what the datasets are about > > and > > > > what they contain so they can use them even when they haven't read > your > > > > book. > > > > > > > Please fix and resubmit, and document what was changed in the > > submission > > > > comments. > > > > > > In an alternate universe without copyright law this seems a reasonable > > > request. In this universe it seems to be asking for trouble. I know > > about > > > fair use, but I am not a lawyer and do not want to walk the borderline > > > between fair use and copyright violation. > > > > > > The package as it is seems OK because it comes from the author's public > > web > > > site and these data were never in the book. > > > > > > Please note that I made Alan Agresti (with his acquiescence) the author > > of > > > the package because it is his book and his data, but I (or rather > foo.R) > > > did all the work. > > > > > > I replied to cran.r-project.org, but that was apparently sent to > > /dev/null. > > > > > > This boo
Re: [R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis
Fair enough. But CRAN is clearly asking for a more detailed Description field. I simply offered one suggestion for expanding it. Keep in mind that users will typically see the DESCRIPTION file first, and not the help pages. Max Turgeon Assistant Professor Department of Statistics Department of Computer Science University of Manitoba maxturgeon.ca<http://maxturgeon.ca> From: Charles Geyer Sent: June 28, 2020 12:48:06 PM To: Max Turgeon Cc: R Package Development Subject: Re: [R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis Caution: This message was sent from outside the University of Manitoba. The link to Alan's web site is on every help page (in the source section). That's where the source is supposed to be. I have no problem with adding the source to the DESCRIPTION file, but that is not what CRAN asked me to do. On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:16 PM Max Turgeon mailto:max.turg...@umanitoba.ca>> wrote: For what it's worth, I'd be inclined to interpreting CRAN's response *very* literally, i.e. your Description field is not descriptive enough. According to what I can see in the Github repo, you only have "Datasets used in the book Categorical Data Analysis by Agresti but not printed in the book." Which is not much more than what the Title field says. One glaring omission (IMO) from the Description field is any mention of Agresti's website, where the data comes from. In contrast, looking at the "woolridge" package, I can see from the Description field that it contains 111 datasets (well, that's in the Title field), it's about econometrics, and the purpose of the package is to make it easier for students to work with these datasets. Max Turgeon Assistant Professor Department of Statistics Department of Computer Science University of Manitoba maxturgeon.ca<http://maxturgeon.ca> From: R-package-devel mailto:r-package-devel-boun...@r-project.org>> on behalf of Charles Geyer mailto:char...@stat.umn.edu>> Sent: June 28, 2020 11:38 AM To: Neal Fultz Cc: R Package Development Subject: Re: [R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis Caution: This message was sent from outside the University of Manitoba. Actually the wooldridge package does not seem to satisfy any of the specific requests CRAN asked me for. I have checked several other CRAN packages for textbooks and they don't seem to satisfy those requirements either. So this seems to be a new idea from CRAN. On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM Neal Fultz mailto:nfu...@gmail.com>> wrote: > I'm not sure exactly what cran is asking for, but the wooldridge > package is a good example of a text book data set package, so maybe > you can use the same format they did. > > https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/wooldridge/index.html > > Best, > > Neal > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 9:08 AM Charles Geyer > mailto:char...@stat.umn.edu>> > wrote: > > > > I have a package that has the datasets for Categorical Data Analysis by > > Agresti that do not appear in the book. The whole package is a github > repo > > https://github.com/cjgeyer/CatDataAnalysis. All of the data were > > translated mechanically using the R script foo.R included in the repo > (but > > not in the package) from Agresti's web site > > http://www.stat.ufl.edu/~aa/cda/data.html. > > > > This package seems to be a useful service to students and teachers. The > > data > > are much simpler to use with this package than trying to get the data > from > > Agresti's web page (foo.R has 277 lines of code). > > > > When I submitted the package to CRAN, I got the following response. > > > > > The Description field of the DESCRIPTION file is intended to be a (one > > > paragraph) description of what the package does and why it may be > > > useful. Please elaborate. Tell the users what the datasets are about > and > > > what they contain so they can use them even when they haven't read your > > > book. > > > > > Please fix and resubmit, and document what was changed in the > submission > > > comments. > > > > In an alternate universe without copyright law this seems a reasonable > > request. In this universe it seems to be asking for trouble. I know > about > > fair use, but I am not a lawyer and do not want to walk the borderline > > between fair use and copyright violation. > > > > The package as it is seems OK because it comes from the author's public > web > > site and these data were never in the book. > > > > Pl
Re: [R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis
As I said in my original post, I have asked Alan Agresti and he agreed. There is no problem about authorship. On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:12 PM Hugh Parsonage wrote: > If you’re not the author of the data, you can’t submit it as such. The > website has a copyright message on it which, while not definitive, doesn’t > suggest the use you’re proposing would be allowed. > > Bear in mind that you may expose CRAN not just yourself to liability if > you try to conceal true authorship. > > I’d recommend asking the author of that website for permission. Either he > says that’s fine in which case you have permission, or he doesn’t and you > dodge a bullet. > > > On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 2:45 am, Charles Geyer > wrote: > >> Actually the wooldridge package does not seem to satisfy any of the >> specific requests CRAN asked me for. I have checked several other CRAN >> packages for textbooks and they don't seem to satisfy those requirements >> either. So this seems to be a new idea from CRAN. >> >> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM Neal Fultz wrote: >> >> > I'm not sure exactly what cran is asking for, but the wooldridge >> > package is a good example of a text book data set package, so maybe >> > you can use the same format they did. >> > >> > https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/wooldridge/index.html >> > >> > Best, >> > >> > Neal >> > >> > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 9:08 AM Charles Geyer >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > I have a package that has the datasets for Categorical Data Analysis >> by >> > > Agresti that do not appear in the book. The whole package is a github >> > repo >> > > https://github.com/cjgeyer/CatDataAnalysis. All of the data were >> > > translated mechanically using the R script foo.R included in the repo >> > (but >> > > not in the package) from Agresti's web site >> > > http://www.stat.ufl.edu/~aa/cda/data.html. >> > > >> > > This package seems to be a useful service to students and teachers. >> The >> > > data >> > > are much simpler to use with this package than trying to get the data >> > from >> > > Agresti's web page (foo.R has 277 lines of code). >> > > >> > > When I submitted the package to CRAN, I got the following response. >> > > >> > > > The Description field of the DESCRIPTION file is intended to be a >> (one >> > > > paragraph) description of what the package does and why it may be >> > > > useful. Please elaborate. Tell the users what the datasets are about >> > and >> > > > what they contain so they can use them even when they haven't read >> your >> > > > book. >> > > >> > > > Please fix and resubmit, and document what was changed in the >> > submission >> > > > comments. >> > > >> > > In an alternate universe without copyright law this seems a reasonable >> > > request. In this universe it seems to be asking for trouble. I know >> > about >> > > fair use, but I am not a lawyer and do not want to walk the borderline >> > > between fair use and copyright violation. >> > > >> > > The package as it is seems OK because it comes from the author's >> public >> > web >> > > site and these data were never in the book. >> > > >> > > Please note that I made Alan Agresti (with his acquiescence) the >> author >> > of >> > > the package because it is his book and his data, but I (or rather >> foo.R) >> > > did all the work. >> > > >> > > I replied to cran.r-project.org, but that was apparently sent to >> > /dev/null. >> > > >> > > This book is IMHO the authoritative textbook on the subject. Amazon >> > sales >> > > rank agrees. The book is used for many courses. So this package >> would >> > be >> > > very helpful as is to many students and teachers. >> > > >> > > So what to do? Is there any way to get this package on CRAN? >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Charles Geyer >> > > Professor, School of Statistics >> > > Resident Fellow, Minnesota Center for Philosophy of Science >> > > University of Minnesota >> > > char...@stat.umn.edu >> > > >> > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] >> > > >> > > __ >> > > R-package-devel@r-project.org mailing list >> > > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel >> > >> >> >> -- >> Charles Geyer >> Professor, School of Statistics >> Resident Fellow, Minnesota Center for Philosophy of Science >> University of Minnesota >> char...@stat.umn.edu >> >> [[alternative HTML version deleted]] >> >> __ >> R-package-devel@r-project.org mailing list >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel >> > -- Charles Geyer Professor, School of Statistics Resident Fellow, Minnesota Center for Philosophy of Science University of Minnesota char...@stat.umn.edu [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-package-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel
Re: [R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis
For what it's worth, I'd be inclined to interpreting CRAN's response *very* literally, i.e. your Description field is not descriptive enough. According to what I can see in the Github repo, you only have "Datasets used in the book Categorical Data Analysis by Agresti but not printed in the book." Which is not much more than what the Title field says. One glaring omission (IMO) from the Description field is any mention of Agresti's website, where the data comes from. In contrast, looking at the "woolridge" package, I can see from the Description field that it contains 111 datasets (well, that's in the Title field), it's about econometrics, and the purpose of the package is to make it easier for students to work with these datasets. Max Turgeon Assistant Professor Department of Statistics Department of Computer Science University of Manitoba maxturgeon.ca<http://maxturgeon.ca> From: R-package-devel on behalf of Charles Geyer Sent: June 28, 2020 11:38 AM To: Neal Fultz Cc: R Package Development Subject: Re: [R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis Caution: This message was sent from outside the University of Manitoba. Actually the wooldridge package does not seem to satisfy any of the specific requests CRAN asked me for. I have checked several other CRAN packages for textbooks and they don't seem to satisfy those requirements either. So this seems to be a new idea from CRAN. On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM Neal Fultz wrote: > I'm not sure exactly what cran is asking for, but the wooldridge > package is a good example of a text book data set package, so maybe > you can use the same format they did. > > https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/wooldridge/index.html > > Best, > > Neal > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 9:08 AM Charles Geyer > wrote: > > > > I have a package that has the datasets for Categorical Data Analysis by > > Agresti that do not appear in the book. The whole package is a github > repo > > https://github.com/cjgeyer/CatDataAnalysis. All of the data were > > translated mechanically using the R script foo.R included in the repo > (but > > not in the package) from Agresti's web site > > http://www.stat.ufl.edu/~aa/cda/data.html. > > > > This package seems to be a useful service to students and teachers. The > > data > > are much simpler to use with this package than trying to get the data > from > > Agresti's web page (foo.R has 277 lines of code). > > > > When I submitted the package to CRAN, I got the following response. > > > > > The Description field of the DESCRIPTION file is intended to be a (one > > > paragraph) description of what the package does and why it may be > > > useful. Please elaborate. Tell the users what the datasets are about > and > > > what they contain so they can use them even when they haven't read your > > > book. > > > > > Please fix and resubmit, and document what was changed in the > submission > > > comments. > > > > In an alternate universe without copyright law this seems a reasonable > > request. In this universe it seems to be asking for trouble. I know > about > > fair use, but I am not a lawyer and do not want to walk the borderline > > between fair use and copyright violation. > > > > The package as it is seems OK because it comes from the author's public > web > > site and these data were never in the book. > > > > Please note that I made Alan Agresti (with his acquiescence) the author > of > > the package because it is his book and his data, but I (or rather foo.R) > > did all the work. > > > > I replied to cran.r-project.org, but that was apparently sent to > /dev/null. > > > > This book is IMHO the authoritative textbook on the subject. Amazon > sales > > rank agrees. The book is used for many courses. So this package would > be > > very helpful as is to many students and teachers. > > > > So what to do? Is there any way to get this package on CRAN? > > > > -- > > Charles Geyer > > Professor, School of Statistics > > Resident Fellow, Minnesota Center for Philosophy of Science > > University of Minnesota > > char...@stat.umn.edu > > > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > > > __ > > R-package-devel@r-project.org mailing list > > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel > -- Charles Geyer Professor, School of Statistics Resident Fellow, Minnesota Center for Philosophy of Science University of Minnesota char...@stat.umn.edu [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-package-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-package-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel
Re: [R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis
If you’re not the author of the data, you can’t submit it as such. The website has a copyright message on it which, while not definitive, doesn’t suggest the use you’re proposing would be allowed. Bear in mind that you may expose CRAN not just yourself to liability if you try to conceal true authorship. I’d recommend asking the author of that website for permission. Either he says that’s fine in which case you have permission, or he doesn’t and you dodge a bullet. On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 2:45 am, Charles Geyer wrote: > Actually the wooldridge package does not seem to satisfy any of the > specific requests CRAN asked me for. I have checked several other CRAN > packages for textbooks and they don't seem to satisfy those requirements > either. So this seems to be a new idea from CRAN. > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM Neal Fultz wrote: > > > I'm not sure exactly what cran is asking for, but the wooldridge > > package is a good example of a text book data set package, so maybe > > you can use the same format they did. > > > > https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/wooldridge/index.html > > > > Best, > > > > Neal > > > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 9:08 AM Charles Geyer > > wrote: > > > > > > I have a package that has the datasets for Categorical Data Analysis by > > > Agresti that do not appear in the book. The whole package is a github > > repo > > > https://github.com/cjgeyer/CatDataAnalysis. All of the data were > > > translated mechanically using the R script foo.R included in the repo > > (but > > > not in the package) from Agresti's web site > > > http://www.stat.ufl.edu/~aa/cda/data.html. > > > > > > This package seems to be a useful service to students and teachers. > The > > > data > > > are much simpler to use with this package than trying to get the data > > from > > > Agresti's web page (foo.R has 277 lines of code). > > > > > > When I submitted the package to CRAN, I got the following response. > > > > > > > The Description field of the DESCRIPTION file is intended to be a > (one > > > > paragraph) description of what the package does and why it may be > > > > useful. Please elaborate. Tell the users what the datasets are about > > and > > > > what they contain so they can use them even when they haven't read > your > > > > book. > > > > > > > Please fix and resubmit, and document what was changed in the > > submission > > > > comments. > > > > > > In an alternate universe without copyright law this seems a reasonable > > > request. In this universe it seems to be asking for trouble. I know > > about > > > fair use, but I am not a lawyer and do not want to walk the borderline > > > between fair use and copyright violation. > > > > > > The package as it is seems OK because it comes from the author's public > > web > > > site and these data were never in the book. > > > > > > Please note that I made Alan Agresti (with his acquiescence) the author > > of > > > the package because it is his book and his data, but I (or rather > foo.R) > > > did all the work. > > > > > > I replied to cran.r-project.org, but that was apparently sent to > > /dev/null. > > > > > > This book is IMHO the authoritative textbook on the subject. Amazon > > sales > > > rank agrees. The book is used for many courses. So this package would > > be > > > very helpful as is to many students and teachers. > > > > > > So what to do? Is there any way to get this package on CRAN? > > > > > > -- > > > Charles Geyer > > > Professor, School of Statistics > > > Resident Fellow, Minnesota Center for Philosophy of Science > > > University of Minnesota > > > char...@stat.umn.edu > > > > > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > > > > > __ > > > R-package-devel@r-project.org mailing list > > > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel > > > > > -- > Charles Geyer > Professor, School of Statistics > Resident Fellow, Minnesota Center for Philosophy of Science > University of Minnesota > char...@stat.umn.edu > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > __ > R-package-devel@r-project.org mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-package-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel
Re: [R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis
Actually the wooldridge package does not seem to satisfy any of the specific requests CRAN asked me for. I have checked several other CRAN packages for textbooks and they don't seem to satisfy those requirements either. So this seems to be a new idea from CRAN. On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM Neal Fultz wrote: > I'm not sure exactly what cran is asking for, but the wooldridge > package is a good example of a text book data set package, so maybe > you can use the same format they did. > > https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/wooldridge/index.html > > Best, > > Neal > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 9:08 AM Charles Geyer > wrote: > > > > I have a package that has the datasets for Categorical Data Analysis by > > Agresti that do not appear in the book. The whole package is a github > repo > > https://github.com/cjgeyer/CatDataAnalysis. All of the data were > > translated mechanically using the R script foo.R included in the repo > (but > > not in the package) from Agresti's web site > > http://www.stat.ufl.edu/~aa/cda/data.html. > > > > This package seems to be a useful service to students and teachers. The > > data > > are much simpler to use with this package than trying to get the data > from > > Agresti's web page (foo.R has 277 lines of code). > > > > When I submitted the package to CRAN, I got the following response. > > > > > The Description field of the DESCRIPTION file is intended to be a (one > > > paragraph) description of what the package does and why it may be > > > useful. Please elaborate. Tell the users what the datasets are about > and > > > what they contain so they can use them even when they haven't read your > > > book. > > > > > Please fix and resubmit, and document what was changed in the > submission > > > comments. > > > > In an alternate universe without copyright law this seems a reasonable > > request. In this universe it seems to be asking for trouble. I know > about > > fair use, but I am not a lawyer and do not want to walk the borderline > > between fair use and copyright violation. > > > > The package as it is seems OK because it comes from the author's public > web > > site and these data were never in the book. > > > > Please note that I made Alan Agresti (with his acquiescence) the author > of > > the package because it is his book and his data, but I (or rather foo.R) > > did all the work. > > > > I replied to cran.r-project.org, but that was apparently sent to > /dev/null. > > > > This book is IMHO the authoritative textbook on the subject. Amazon > sales > > rank agrees. The book is used for many courses. So this package would > be > > very helpful as is to many students and teachers. > > > > So what to do? Is there any way to get this package on CRAN? > > > > -- > > Charles Geyer > > Professor, School of Statistics > > Resident Fellow, Minnesota Center for Philosophy of Science > > University of Minnesota > > char...@stat.umn.edu > > > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > > > __ > > R-package-devel@r-project.org mailing list > > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel > -- Charles Geyer Professor, School of Statistics Resident Fellow, Minnesota Center for Philosophy of Science University of Minnesota char...@stat.umn.edu [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-package-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel
Re: [R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis
I'm not sure exactly what cran is asking for, but the wooldridge package is a good example of a text book data set package, so maybe you can use the same format they did. https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/wooldridge/index.html Best, Neal On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 9:08 AM Charles Geyer wrote: > > I have a package that has the datasets for Categorical Data Analysis by > Agresti that do not appear in the book. The whole package is a github repo > https://github.com/cjgeyer/CatDataAnalysis. All of the data were > translated mechanically using the R script foo.R included in the repo (but > not in the package) from Agresti's web site > http://www.stat.ufl.edu/~aa/cda/data.html. > > This package seems to be a useful service to students and teachers. The > data > are much simpler to use with this package than trying to get the data from > Agresti's web page (foo.R has 277 lines of code). > > When I submitted the package to CRAN, I got the following response. > > > The Description field of the DESCRIPTION file is intended to be a (one > > paragraph) description of what the package does and why it may be > > useful. Please elaborate. Tell the users what the datasets are about and > > what they contain so they can use them even when they haven't read your > > book. > > > Please fix and resubmit, and document what was changed in the submission > > comments. > > In an alternate universe without copyright law this seems a reasonable > request. In this universe it seems to be asking for trouble. I know about > fair use, but I am not a lawyer and do not want to walk the borderline > between fair use and copyright violation. > > The package as it is seems OK because it comes from the author's public web > site and these data were never in the book. > > Please note that I made Alan Agresti (with his acquiescence) the author of > the package because it is his book and his data, but I (or rather foo.R) > did all the work. > > I replied to cran.r-project.org, but that was apparently sent to /dev/null. > > This book is IMHO the authoritative textbook on the subject. Amazon sales > rank agrees. The book is used for many courses. So this package would be > very helpful as is to many students and teachers. > > So what to do? Is there any way to get this package on CRAN? > > -- > Charles Geyer > Professor, School of Statistics > Resident Fellow, Minnesota Center for Philosophy of Science > University of Minnesota > char...@stat.umn.edu > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > __ > R-package-devel@r-project.org mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel __ R-package-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel
[R-pkg-devel] package CatDataAnalysis
I have a package that has the datasets for Categorical Data Analysis by Agresti that do not appear in the book. The whole package is a github repo https://github.com/cjgeyer/CatDataAnalysis. All of the data were translated mechanically using the R script foo.R included in the repo (but not in the package) from Agresti's web site http://www.stat.ufl.edu/~aa/cda/data.html. This package seems to be a useful service to students and teachers. The data are much simpler to use with this package than trying to get the data from Agresti's web page (foo.R has 277 lines of code). When I submitted the package to CRAN, I got the following response. > The Description field of the DESCRIPTION file is intended to be a (one > paragraph) description of what the package does and why it may be > useful. Please elaborate. Tell the users what the datasets are about and > what they contain so they can use them even when they haven't read your > book. > Please fix and resubmit, and document what was changed in the submission > comments. In an alternate universe without copyright law this seems a reasonable request. In this universe it seems to be asking for trouble. I know about fair use, but I am not a lawyer and do not want to walk the borderline between fair use and copyright violation. The package as it is seems OK because it comes from the author's public web site and these data were never in the book. Please note that I made Alan Agresti (with his acquiescence) the author of the package because it is his book and his data, but I (or rather foo.R) did all the work. I replied to cran.r-project.org, but that was apparently sent to /dev/null. This book is IMHO the authoritative textbook on the subject. Amazon sales rank agrees. The book is used for many courses. So this package would be very helpful as is to many students and teachers. So what to do? Is there any way to get this package on CRAN? -- Charles Geyer Professor, School of Statistics Resident Fellow, Minnesota Center for Philosophy of Science University of Minnesota char...@stat.umn.edu [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-package-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel
