Re: [R-pkg-devel] Pkgs with ToS violations
Thx folks. I didn't mean to cause a stir :-) I've had colleagues receive cease & desists (and worse) before and it's been my experience that a large # of folks have no idea these type of cite restrictions exist. -Bob On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 6:36 AM, Uwe Ligges wrote: > CRAN will follow up with the package maintainer. > > Best, > Uwe Ligges > > > > On 04.08.2016 10:50, peter dalgaard wrote: >> >> >> On 04 Aug 2016, at 05:21 , Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: >> >>> >>> On 3 August 2016 at 22:26, Bob Rudis wrote: >>> | I came across >>> https://cran.rstudio.com/web/packages/boxoffice/index.html >>> | in CRAN today and while I don't expect CRAN to be a legal authority, >>> | should there not be some kind of policy for excluding R packages that >>> | deliberately violate (data) site ToS? (I'm asking this here vs sending >>> | a note to CRAN folks since I tend to be a bit sensitive to this >>> | particular issue). >>> | >>> | Box Office Mojo - which is really just Amazon - clearly states that >>> | the activities this package facilitates are in violation of their ToS. >>> | Unlike examples on blogs that also violate BOM ToS, this pkg in CRAN >>> | is almost legitimizing the violations. >>> | >>> | Amazon only goes after a few folks a year and it's unlikely R folks >>> | will be their target (for now) but that doesn't make it OK IMO. >>> | >>> | Is this worth bringing up to CRAN? >>> >>> I think so. >>> >> >> >> By all means bring it up. But there's the usual tools-vs-action >> discussion, and I do notice that the ToS has >> >> • Licensing IMDb's Content; Consent to Use Robots and Crawlers: If you are >> interested in receiving our express written permission to use our content >> for your non-personal (including commercial) use, please contact our >> Licensing Department. We do allow the limited use of robots and crawlers, >> such as those from certain search engines, with our express written consent. >> >> I.e., it could be a matter of suitable flagging of the software as >> requiring permission. You likely don't wnat CRAN to run automated tests that >> run scrapers, though. >> >> -pd >> >> >>> Dirk >>> >>> -- >>> http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com | @eddelbuettel | [email protected] >>> >>> __ >>> [email protected] mailing list >>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel >> >> > > __ > [email protected] mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel __ [email protected] mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel
Re: [R-pkg-devel] Pkgs with ToS violations
ROpenSci's onboarding process has a checkbox for confirming that the package "does not violate the Terms of Service of any service it interacts with.": https://github.com/ropensci/onboarding/blob/master/issue_template.md I also have a vague memory of this discussion a few years ago on R-help/-dev where TPTB on CRAN decided that they were just providing hammers, and if people wanted to break into houses with them then that wasn't their problem (I'm paraphrasing and vague on the details...). Can't find that thread right now. On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Duncan Murdoch wrote: > On 03/08/2016 10:26 PM, Bob Rudis wrote: >> >> I came across https://cran.rstudio.com/web/packages/boxoffice/index.html >> in CRAN today and while I don't expect CRAN to be a legal authority, >> should there not be some kind of policy for excluding R packages that >> deliberately violate (data) site ToS? (I'm asking this here vs sending >> a note to CRAN folks since I tend to be a bit sensitive to this >> particular issue). >> >> Box Office Mojo - which is really just Amazon - clearly states that >> the activities this package facilitates are in violation of their ToS. >> Unlike examples on blogs that also violate BOM ToS, this pkg in CRAN >> is almost legitimizing the violations. >> >> Amazon only goes after a few folks a year and it's unlikely R folks >> will be their target (for now) but that doesn't make it OK IMO. >> >> Is this worth bringing up to CRAN? > > > I'd say the place to start is the package maintainer. The maintainer has > certified that the package satisfies the policy "The code and examples > provided in a package should never do anything which might be regarded as > malicious or anti-social.". > > Duncan Murdoch > > > __ > [email protected] mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel __ [email protected] mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel
Re: [R-pkg-devel] Pkgs with ToS violations
CRAN will follow up with the package maintainer. Best, Uwe Ligges On 04.08.2016 10:50, peter dalgaard wrote: On 04 Aug 2016, at 05:21 , Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: On 3 August 2016 at 22:26, Bob Rudis wrote: | I came across https://cran.rstudio.com/web/packages/boxoffice/index.html | in CRAN today and while I don't expect CRAN to be a legal authority, | should there not be some kind of policy for excluding R packages that | deliberately violate (data) site ToS? (I'm asking this here vs sending | a note to CRAN folks since I tend to be a bit sensitive to this | particular issue). | | Box Office Mojo - which is really just Amazon - clearly states that | the activities this package facilitates are in violation of their ToS. | Unlike examples on blogs that also violate BOM ToS, this pkg in CRAN | is almost legitimizing the violations. | | Amazon only goes after a few folks a year and it's unlikely R folks | will be their target (for now) but that doesn't make it OK IMO. | | Is this worth bringing up to CRAN? I think so. By all means bring it up. But there's the usual tools-vs-action discussion, and I do notice that the ToS has • Licensing IMDb's Content; Consent to Use Robots and Crawlers: If you are interested in receiving our express written permission to use our content for your non-personal (including commercial) use, please contact our Licensing Department. We do allow the limited use of robots and crawlers, such as those from certain search engines, with our express written consent. I.e., it could be a matter of suitable flagging of the software as requiring permission. You likely don't wnat CRAN to run automated tests that run scrapers, though. -pd Dirk -- http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com | @eddelbuettel | [email protected] __ [email protected] mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel __ [email protected] mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel
Re: [R-pkg-devel] Pkgs with ToS violations
On 03/08/2016 10:26 PM, Bob Rudis wrote: I came across https://cran.rstudio.com/web/packages/boxoffice/index.html in CRAN today and while I don't expect CRAN to be a legal authority, should there not be some kind of policy for excluding R packages that deliberately violate (data) site ToS? (I'm asking this here vs sending a note to CRAN folks since I tend to be a bit sensitive to this particular issue). Box Office Mojo - which is really just Amazon - clearly states that the activities this package facilitates are in violation of their ToS. Unlike examples on blogs that also violate BOM ToS, this pkg in CRAN is almost legitimizing the violations. Amazon only goes after a few folks a year and it's unlikely R folks will be their target (for now) but that doesn't make it OK IMO. Is this worth bringing up to CRAN? I'd say the place to start is the package maintainer. The maintainer has certified that the package satisfies the policy "The code and examples provided in a package should never do anything which might be regarded as malicious or anti-social.". Duncan Murdoch __ [email protected] mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel
Re: [R-pkg-devel] Pkgs with ToS violations
On 04 Aug 2016, at 05:21 , Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: > > On 3 August 2016 at 22:26, Bob Rudis wrote: > | I came across https://cran.rstudio.com/web/packages/boxoffice/index.html > | in CRAN today and while I don't expect CRAN to be a legal authority, > | should there not be some kind of policy for excluding R packages that > | deliberately violate (data) site ToS? (I'm asking this here vs sending > | a note to CRAN folks since I tend to be a bit sensitive to this > | particular issue). > | > | Box Office Mojo - which is really just Amazon - clearly states that > | the activities this package facilitates are in violation of their ToS. > | Unlike examples on blogs that also violate BOM ToS, this pkg in CRAN > | is almost legitimizing the violations. > | > | Amazon only goes after a few folks a year and it's unlikely R folks > | will be their target (for now) but that doesn't make it OK IMO. > | > | Is this worth bringing up to CRAN? > > I think so. > By all means bring it up. But there's the usual tools-vs-action discussion, and I do notice that the ToS has • Licensing IMDb's Content; Consent to Use Robots and Crawlers: If you are interested in receiving our express written permission to use our content for your non-personal (including commercial) use, please contact our Licensing Department. We do allow the limited use of robots and crawlers, such as those from certain search engines, with our express written consent. I.e., it could be a matter of suitable flagging of the software as requiring permission. You likely don't wnat CRAN to run automated tests that run scrapers, though. -pd > Dirk > > -- > http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com | @eddelbuettel | [email protected] > > __ > [email protected] mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel -- Peter Dalgaard, Professor, Center for Statistics, Copenhagen Business School Solbjerg Plads 3, 2000 Frederiksberg, Denmark Phone: (+45)38153501 Office: A 4.23 Email: [email protected] Priv: [email protected] __ [email protected] mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel
Re: [R-pkg-devel] Pkgs with ToS violations
On 3 August 2016 at 22:26, Bob Rudis wrote: | I came across https://cran.rstudio.com/web/packages/boxoffice/index.html | in CRAN today and while I don't expect CRAN to be a legal authority, | should there not be some kind of policy for excluding R packages that | deliberately violate (data) site ToS? (I'm asking this here vs sending | a note to CRAN folks since I tend to be a bit sensitive to this | particular issue). | | Box Office Mojo - which is really just Amazon - clearly states that | the activities this package facilitates are in violation of their ToS. | Unlike examples on blogs that also violate BOM ToS, this pkg in CRAN | is almost legitimizing the violations. | | Amazon only goes after a few folks a year and it's unlikely R folks | will be their target (for now) but that doesn't make it OK IMO. | | Is this worth bringing up to CRAN? I think so. Dirk -- http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com | @eddelbuettel | [email protected] __ [email protected] mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel
