Re: [R-sig-eco] nested factor for which i would like a parameter estimate

2011-03-14 Thread dougwyu
Thanks very much Mike. It clears things up immensely now that i'm not thinking about nesting fixed effects inside random effects, and the model and dfs make sense. doug On 13 Mar 2011, at 21:04, Dunbar, Michael J. wrote: Hi Doug Your first model can't be right, as AM/PM is clearly a

Re: [R-sig-eco] nested factor for which i would like a parameter estimate

2011-03-13 Thread Dunbar, Michael J.
Hi Doug Your first model can't be right, as AM/PM is clearly a fixed effect: it has just two levels and you are only interested in making inferences about those two levels. So you can't have AMPM on the right of the random part of the model. Try not to think of nesting fixed effects in random