Re: [R-sig-eco] pairwise comparisons in community structure

2009-08-11 Thread Etienne Laliberté
Hi Penelope, You're right that Bonferonni can be overly conservative for multiple testing. Several other options exist, see ?p.adjust for some examples. As far as I know, the same methods apply for multivariate data, see Legendre & Legendre (1998) Numerical Ecology, Chapter 1, Box. 1.3 on "Multip

Re: [R-sig-eco] pairwise comparisons in community structure

2009-08-11 Thread Jari Oksanen
Penelope, Check ?p.adjust for the adjustment methods for multiple comparisons. It is in standard R (stats) so that it is immediately available for use. There are several methods available, and in my installation those include both FDR and Hochberg among others: > p.adjust.methods [1] "holm"

Re: [R-sig-eco] pairwise comparisons in community structure

2009-08-11 Thread Penelope_Pooler
Thanks for all of your great comments and questions. I think I got what I needed. Two people (Elgin Perry and Jarrett Byrnes) recommended a paper about controlling the FDR (False Discovery rate) by Benjamini and Hochberg (1995) and Jarrett also mentioned newer paper by the same authors that updat

Re: [R-sig-eco] pairwise comparisons in community structure

2009-08-11 Thread Jarrett Byrnes
Penelope, One of the nice things about the Bonferroni correction is that it is simple and straightforward to implement. However, many do blanch at the rapid loss of power. One simple alternative is the False Discovery rate (Benjamini and Hochberg 1995 J. R. Stat Soc. B) and the Sharpened

Re: [R-sig-eco] pairwise comparisons in community structure

2009-08-11 Thread Chris Stallings
Penelope, Following up on Rodney's email, it may be useful to ask whether pairwise comparisons are necessary. Depending on your question and what you want to gain from the research, pairwise comparisons may not be the best approach. If you are interested in the general patterns and potential

Re: [R-sig-eco] pairwise comparisons in community structure analysis data

2009-08-11 Thread Gavin Simpson
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 16:43 -0400, penelope_poo...@nps.gov wrote: > I have a question that I'm not sure has a right answer, but I would > appreciate any and all opinions, especially if you know of any citations to > back them up. > > In the past, when dealing with univariate data, I have always be

Re: [R-sig-eco] pairwise comparisons in community structure

2009-08-11 Thread Rodney White
Non-metric Multidimensional Scaling (NMS or NMDS) is one procedure used to analyze differences in sites regarding vegetation structure. It uses a dissimilarity matrix to orient sites in species space. It is available as a base package in R as isoMDS, or in the package Vegan as metaMDS. It is not a