Re: [R-sig-eco] Change in rotated NMDS scores as a response variable

2011-03-11 Thread Erik Frenzel
Sincere thanks to Drs. Oksanen, Simpson, and Singer for their thoughtful responses. I'm looking forward to using "ordisurf" to see whether the one dimensional trend in my dataset holds for two dimensions . Has anyone examined this question using simulated data? I took a *very* quick look on BIOSIS

Re: [R-sig-eco] Change in rotated NMDS scores as a response variable

2011-03-11 Thread gabriel singer
hmmm... I think Gavin´s approach definitely has more power, though I don´t quite see why the original idea should not work. Orthogonality is not an implicit feature of an NMDS but it´s also not "prevented"... First, I think quite often NMDS still reproduces/extracts orthogonal features of a data

Re: [R-sig-eco] Change in rotated NMDS scores as a response variable

2011-03-10 Thread Gavin Simpson
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 10:41 -0800, Erik Frenzel wrote: > Hello all, > I'm interested in adapting a technique from a recent paper > > Harrison, S., E. I. Damschen and J. B. Grace 2010. Ecological > contingency in the effects of climate change on forest herbs. > Proceedings of the National Academy o

Re: [R-sig-eco] Change in rotated NMDS scores as a response variable

2011-03-09 Thread Jari Oksanen
On 9/03/11 23:58 PM, "Erik Frenzel" wrote: > Hello again listers, > I've had no problems rotating metaMDS ordindation with 2 axes to a vector of > interest. Unfortunately, for my particular dataset stress is > 0.20 for 2 > axes. I'm wondering if it's possible to rotate the first axis for an > or

Re: [R-sig-eco] Change in rotated NMDS scores as a response variable

2011-03-09 Thread Erik Frenzel
Hello again listers, I've had no problems rotating metaMDS ordindation with 2 axes to a vector of interest. Unfortunately, for my particular dataset stress is > 0.20 for 2 axes. I'm wondering if it's possible to rotate the first axis for an ordination with 3 axes somehow, maybe by specifying a 2 b

[R-sig-eco] Change in rotated NMDS scores as a response variable

2011-02-18 Thread Erik Frenzel
Hello all, I'm interested in adapting a technique from a recent paper Harrison, S., E. I. Damschen and J. B. Grace 2010. Ecological contingency in the effects of climate change on forest herbs. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (USA), 107: 19362-19367. In which a plot's change in NM