Re: [R-sig-eco] Community composition variance partitioning?

2014-03-01 Thread Hanna Tuomisto
Alexandre, Both RDA and MRM are useful methods but they address different questions. The R2 value from RDA quantifies the proportion of the variance in species abundances that can be explained with environmental or spatial gradients. In other words, the response variables in the analysis are the

Re: [R-sig-eco] Community composition variance partitioning?

2013-12-05 Thread Alexandre Fadigas de Souza
Hi Steve, Thank you for your response to my message and for the suggestion. We are also performin RDA-based variance partitioning. Reading the literature on community composition variance partition, my impression was that there is a turmoil and the field is divided into two main fields in

[R-sig-eco] Community composition variance partitioning?

2013-12-04 Thread Alexandre Fadigas de Souza
Dear friends, My name is Alexandre and I am trying to analyze a dataset on floristic composition of tropical coastal vegetation by means of variance partition, according to the outlines of a Tuomisto's recent papers, specially Tuomisto, H., Ruokolainen, L., Ruokolainen, K., 2012. Modelling

Re: [R-sig-eco] Community composition variance partitioning?

2013-12-04 Thread Sarah Goslee
Hi, That seems a bit odd: can you provide a reproducible example, off-list if necessary? Sarah On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Alexandre Fadigas de Souza alexso...@cb.ufrn.br wrote: Dear friends, My name is Alexandre and I am trying to analyze a dataset on floristic composition of

Re: [R-sig-eco] Community composition variance partitioning?

2013-12-04 Thread Jari Oksanen
Hi, Not only odd, but impossible. If you have a model y ~ x1, and you *add* a new explanatory variable, you cannot get worse in raw R2. You can get worse in adjusted R2. You can also get worse if you add variables to a matrix for which you calculate distances. So dist(y) ~ dist([x1]) can have

Re: [R-sig-eco] Community composition variance partitioning?

2013-12-04 Thread Steve Brewer
Alexandre, I'll leave it to Sarah to advise you on MRM (and I agree with Jari that the method you're describing is not going to work). I'll just add that it is not clear to me why the predictors (even geographic distance) have to be treated as distances to partition the variance in composition.