Re: [R-sig-eco] Fwd: how to calculate axis variance in metaMDS, pakage vegan?

2009-12-10 Thread Maria Dulce Subida
Dear Gian, I'm still not quite sure about the functioning of adonis(). I made some proofs and I don't understand how does it calculate the degrees of freedom of a nested factor. But this is most probably due to my lack of experience with this function (as I told you I usually work with the

Re: [R-sig-eco] Fwd: how to calculate axis variance in metaMDS, pakage vegan?

2009-12-09 Thread Gavin Simpson
On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 10:25 +0100, gabriel singer wrote: Gian, You may also want to use betadisper() to check whether the host effect is due to differences in location or dispersion (or both). This is equivalent to checking homogeneity of variance when running a classical ANOVA.

Re: [R-sig-eco] Fwd: how to calculate axis variance in metaMDS, pakage vegan?

2009-12-08 Thread Chris Habeck
Gian,, I applaud your continued struggle to understand the best route of analysis. If I were you, I would ignore the rude comments made by some and focus on the constructive replies from others. Good luck! Chris Habeck Ph.D. Candidate Department of Zoology University of Wisconsin, Madison

Re: [R-sig-eco] Fwd: how to calculate axis variance in metaMDS, pakage vegan?

2009-12-08 Thread Gavin Simpson
On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 20:10 +0100, Gian Maria Niccolò Benucci wrote: Hi Gavin and Hi all, I will not go in front of a bus for sure, I not mad, at least I am not still mad... :) I would like to tell you that I am a Ph.D. student, and for what I know, Ph.D. student still have to understand

Re: [R-sig-eco] Fwd: how to calculate axis variance in metaMDS, pakage vegan?

2009-12-08 Thread gabriel singer
Hi Gian and others, I think we better stop worrying about subjective interpretations of emotional backgrounds of what in other aspects are absolutely helpful discussion threads... I guess part of the challenge on this mailing list is to span the whole range of expertise with useful

Re: [R-sig-eco] Fwd: how to calculate axis variance in metaMDS, pakage vegan?

2009-12-07 Thread Gavin Simpson
On Sun, 2009-12-06 at 17:56 +0100, Gian Maria Niccolò Benucci wrote: Hi all again, And thank you all for the kind responses... I do not want to torture myself for sure... :) I red (lot of) publications about fungal community ecology studies (soil fungi), my research field indeed, and all

Re: [R-sig-eco] Fwd: how to calculate axis variance in metaMDS, pakage vegan?

2009-12-07 Thread Gian Maria Niccolò Benucci
Hi Gavin and Hi all, I will not go in front of a bus for sure, I not mad, at least I am not still mad... :) I would like to tell you that I am a Ph.D. student, and for what I know, Ph.D. student still have to understand things studing those from whom wrote before them... Isac Newton became

Re: [R-sig-eco] Fwd: how to calculate axis variance in metaMDS, pakage vegan?

2009-12-06 Thread Gian Maria Niccolò Benucci
Hi all again, And thank you all for the kind responses... I do not want to torture myself for sure... :) I red (lot of) publications about fungal community ecology studies (soil fungi), my research field indeed, and all uses NMDS or DCA as ordination techniques... So, I am only trying to do my

[R-sig-eco] Fwd: how to calculate axis variance in metaMDS, pakage vegan?

2009-12-03 Thread Gian Maria Niccolò Benucci
Jari, I am here again ... :) So, to try having a comparison of the real goodness of my metaMDS data I tried to perform a DCA (with same input table) Then please forgive me if I do somethign wrong with it... That's my R code: decorana(sqrtABCD, iweigh=0, ira=0) - DCA.1 DCA.1 Call: decorana(veg