Re: [R-sig-eco] Zuur or Pinheiro Bates
Dear Martin, I can recommend Zuur et al (2009). Especially if you are working with R all the R code used is described in detail in the book. Also why they choose that specific model is well described, from data exploration towards the final model. If your data might suffer from zero-inflation then Zuur et al. (2012): Zero Inflated Models and Generalized Linear Mixed Models with R. is also very good. However I am not familiar with the Pinheiro Bates book. So I am not sure how good that one is compared to the Zuur book. Best, Mieke From: r-sig-ecology-boun...@r-project.org [r-sig-ecology-boun...@r-project.org] on behalf of Martin Weiser [weis...@natur.cuni.cz] Sent: 28 November 2012 18:17 To: r-sig-ecology@r-project.org Subject: [R-sig-eco] Zuur or Pinheiro Bates Dear ecology fellows, I need to work with mixed-effects models in more detailed way than what M. Crawley described in the R-book. This book suited me well, but I feel I need to go further in this topic. I am able to buy one book. Would you recommend: a, Zuur et al. (2009): Mixed Effects Models and Extensions in Ecology with R XOR b, Pinheiro Bates (2000/2009): Mixed-Effects Models in S and S-PLUS? Thank you for your patience. With the best regards, Martin Weiser (Dept. of Botany, Science Faculty, Charles University in Prague, Czech Rep.) ___ R-sig-ecology mailing list R-sig-ecology@r-project.org https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-ecology ___ R-sig-ecology mailing list R-sig-ecology@r-project.org https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-ecology
Re: [R-sig-eco] Zuur or Pinheiro Bates
Try to buy both books ;-) Zuur et al is great if you want to see how you can apply mixed models in ecology or when your math skills are not that high. Pinheiro Bates give a deeper theoretical inside and require a higher math skill. ir. Thierry Onkelinx Instituut voor natuur- en bosonderzoek / Research Institute for Nature and Forest team Biometrie Kwaliteitszorg / team Biometrics Quality Assurance Kliniekstraat 25 1070 Anderlecht Belgium + 32 2 525 02 51 + 32 54 43 61 85 thierry.onkel...@inbo.be www.inbo.be To call in the statistician after the experiment is done may be no more than asking him to perform a post-mortem examination: he may be able to say what the experiment died of. ~ Sir Ronald Aylmer Fisher The plural of anecdote is not data. ~ Roger Brinner The combination of some data and an aching desire for an answer does not ensure that a reasonable answer can be extracted from a given body of data. ~ John Tukey -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: r-sig-ecology-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-sig-ecology-boun...@r-project.org] Namens Martin Weiser Verzonden: woensdag 28 november 2012 19:17 Aan: r-sig-ecology@r-project.org Onderwerp: [R-sig-eco] Zuur or Pinheiro Bates Dear ecology fellows, I need to work with mixed-effects models in more detailed way than what M. Crawley described in the R-book. This book suited me well, but I feel I need to go further in this topic. I am able to buy one book. Would you recommend: a, Zuur et al. (2009): Mixed Effects Models and Extensions in Ecology with R XOR b, Pinheiro Bates (2000/2009): Mixed-Effects Models in S and S-PLUS? Thank you for your patience. With the best regards, Martin Weiser (Dept. of Botany, Science Faculty, Charles University in Prague, Czech Rep.) ___ R-sig-ecology mailing list R-sig-ecology@r-project.org https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-ecology * * * * * * * * * * * * * D I S C L A I M E R * * * * * * * * * * * * * Dit bericht en eventuele bijlagen geven enkel de visie van de schrijver weer en binden het INBO onder geen enkel beding, zolang dit bericht niet bevestigd is door een geldig ondertekend document. The views expressed in this message and any annex are purely those of the writer and may not be regarded as stating an official position of INBO, as long as the message is not confirmed by a duly signed document. ___ R-sig-ecology mailing list R-sig-ecology@r-project.org https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-ecology
Re: [R-sig-eco] Zuur or Pinheiro Bates
For those wishing greater understanding of the more theroretical side of things, I found Simon Wood's 2006 text Generalised Additive Models very lucid, even for my mathematically challenged brain. He works from very simple least squares regression all the way up to generalised mixed models (linear and additive) and has some useful tips on actually fitting some of these things. BUt otherwise I would echo previous comments, Zuur for application, Pinheiro Bates for the statistical underpinning cheers rob ** Find out about Britain's birds - www.bto.org/birdfacts ** Dr Rob Robinson, Principal Ecologist British Trust for Ornithology, The Nunnery, Thetford, Norfolk, IP24 2PU Ph: +44 (0)1842 750050 E: rob.robin...@bto.org Fx: +44 (0)1842 750030 W: www.bto.org/about-bto/our-staff/rob-robinson == How can anyone be enlightened, when truth is so poorly lit === On 29 November 2012 09:26, ONKELINX, Thierry thierry.onkel...@inbo.bewrote: Try to buy both books ;-) Zuur et al is great if you want to see how you can apply mixed models in ecology or when your math skills are not that high. Pinheiro Bates give a deeper theoretical inside and require a higher math skill. ir. Thierry Onkelinx Instituut voor natuur- en bosonderzoek / Research Institute for Nature and Forest team Biometrie Kwaliteitszorg / team Biometrics Quality Assurance Kliniekstraat 25 1070 Anderlecht Belgium + 32 2 525 02 51 + 32 54 43 61 85 thierry.onkel...@inbo.be www.inbo.be To call in the statistician after the experiment is done may be no more than asking him to perform a post-mortem examination: he may be able to say what the experiment died of. ~ Sir Ronald Aylmer Fisher The plural of anecdote is not data. ~ Roger Brinner The combination of some data and an aching desire for an answer does not ensure that a reasonable answer can be extracted from a given body of data. ~ John Tukey -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: r-sig-ecology-boun...@r-project.org [mailto: r-sig-ecology-boun...@r-project.org] Namens Martin Weiser Verzonden: woensdag 28 november 2012 19:17 Aan: r-sig-ecology@r-project.org Onderwerp: [R-sig-eco] Zuur or Pinheiro Bates Dear ecology fellows, I need to work with mixed-effects models in more detailed way than what M. Crawley described in the R-book. This book suited me well, but I feel I need to go further in this topic. I am able to buy one book. Would you recommend: a, Zuur et al. (2009): Mixed Effects Models and Extensions in Ecology with R XOR b, Pinheiro Bates (2000/2009): Mixed-Effects Models in S and S-PLUS? Thank you for your patience. With the best regards, Martin Weiser (Dept. of Botany, Science Faculty, Charles University in Prague, Czech Rep.) ___ R-sig-ecology mailing list R-sig-ecology@r-project.org https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-ecology * * * * * * * * * * * * * D I S C L A I M E R * * * * * * * * * * * * * Dit bericht en eventuele bijlagen geven enkel de visie van de schrijver weer en binden het INBO onder geen enkel beding, zolang dit bericht niet bevestigd is door een geldig ondertekend document. The views expressed in this message and any annex are purely those of the writer and may not be regarded as stating an official position of INBO, as long as the message is not confirmed by a duly signed document. ___ R-sig-ecology mailing list R-sig-ecology@r-project.org https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-ecology [[alternative HTML version deleted]] ___ R-sig-ecology mailing list R-sig-ecology@r-project.org https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-ecology
[R-sig-eco] Zuur or Pinheiro Bates
Dear ecology fellows, I need to work with mixed-effects models in more detailed way than what M. Crawley described in the R-book. This book suited me well, but I feel I need to go further in this topic. I am able to buy one book. Would you recommend: a, Zuur et al. (2009): Mixed Effects Models and Extensions in Ecology with R XOR b, Pinheiro Bates (2000/2009): Mixed-Effects Models in S and S-PLUS? Thank you for your patience. With the best regards, Martin Weiser (Dept. of Botany, Science Faculty, Charles University in Prague, Czech Rep.) ___ R-sig-ecology mailing list R-sig-ecology@r-project.org https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-ecology
Re: [R-sig-eco] Zuur or Pinheiro Bates
I would also recommend considering Faraway (2006) Extending the linear model with R and the draft chapters of Doug bates' lme4 book: http://lme4.r-forge.r-project.org/book/ The choice between Pinheiro Bates, Zuur, and Faraway is part style and part specific applications of mixed models: I need generalized linear mixed models for longitudinal data, so I find Faraway more useful. On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Martin Weiser weis...@natur.cuni.czwrote: Dear ecology fellows, I need to work with mixed-effects models in more detailed way than what M. Crawley described in the R-book. This book suited me well, but I feel I need to go further in this topic. I am able to buy one book. Would you recommend: a, Zuur et al. (2009): Mixed Effects Models and Extensions in Ecology with R XOR b, Pinheiro Bates (2000/2009): Mixed-Effects Models in S and S-PLUS? Thank you for your patience. With the best regards, Martin Weiser (Dept. of Botany, Science Faculty, Charles University in Prague, Czech Rep.) ___ R-sig-ecology mailing list R-sig-ecology@r-project.org https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-ecology -- --- Tom Philippi Quantitative Ecologist Data Therapist Inventory and Monitoring Program National Park Service tom_phili...@nps.gov http://science.nature.nps.gov/im/monitor [[alternative HTML version deleted]] ___ R-sig-ecology mailing list R-sig-ecology@r-project.org https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-ecology
