Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Apple Silicon aka M1 Macs
Prof. Ripley,
Thanks for these updates and for the efforts by all involved in this process.
I am holding off on moving to the M1 based Macs until next year, as besides
waiting for a larger display variant, as I am also waiting on updates to other
applications that will support that hardware in time.
You reference XQuartz below, and unless I am mis-reading the tea leaves, there
seems to be an indication in their list archives that there is no plan to
update their binary release to support the new hardware. That release has not
been updated since 2016.
They seem to be suggesting a dependence upon MacPorts moving forward, possibly
HomeBrew, for installing a native XQuartz on the new hardware. Either scenario
introduces other issues idiosyncratic to those environments.
Not sure if that influences any decisions here, and presume that you may
already be aware of those dynamics.
Regards,
Marc Schwartz
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:57 AM, Prof Brian Ripley wrote:
>
> Mine (a 8GB MBA) arrived today, so I have started doing some comparisons.
>
> For the CRAN build of R 4.0.3, §2.8 of R-admin recommends checking the
> installation with
>
> pdf("tests.pdf") ## optional, but prevents flashing graphics windows
> Sys.setenv(LC_COLLATE = "C", LC_TIME = "C", LANGUAGE = "en")
> tools::testInstalledBasic("both")
> tools::testInstalledPackages(scope = "base")
> tools::testInstalledPackages(scope = "recommended")
>
> That took 454s (using Rosetta) against 895s for my late-2016 MBP (2.9GHz i5):
> happily nothing untoward was reported (some recommended packages give
> differences from reference output on both systems).
>
> You need to install XQuartz to provide the X11() devices and support for
> package Tcl/Tk: everything I tried using that worked as expected.
>
> Having done that post-installation check I would happily use the Intel R on
> an M1 machine.
>
> We plan to check many of the Intel-compiled packages under Rosetta.
>
> There are many hours of work ahead to build/test a native toolchain: our goal
> is to have a native distribution for R 4.1.0 ca April 2021.
>
> --
> Brian D. Ripley, rip...@stats.ox.ac.uk
> Emeritus Professor of Applied Statistics, University of Oxford
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Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Apple Silicon aka M1 Macs
One thing that I noticed both on Silicon and the intel macs at GitHub
Actions, is that the CRAN installer does not create the symlinks in
`/usr/local/bin`. Probably some permission or entitlement issue. So
you'll probably want to create them manually. E.g. on GHA it goes like
this:
https://github.com/r-lib/ps/blob/a24f2c4d1bdba63be14e7729b9ab81d0ed9f719e/.github/workflows/R-CMD-check.yaml#L42-L45
G.
On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 3:15 PM Roy Mendelssohn - NOAA Federal via
R-SIG-Mac wrote:
>
> Thank to all who are working on this. Looks like a lot of work. Also looks
> like when and if R can run in native mode on the M1 it will be very fast.
>
> -Roy
>
>
> > On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:57 AM, Prof Brian Ripley
> > wrote:
> >
> > Mine (a 8GB MBA) arrived today, so I have started doing some comparisons.
> >
> > For the CRAN build of R 4.0.3, §2.8 of R-admin recommends checking the
> > installation with
> >
> > pdf("tests.pdf") ## optional, but prevents flashing graphics windows
> > Sys.setenv(LC_COLLATE = "C", LC_TIME = "C", LANGUAGE = "en")
> > tools::testInstalledBasic("both")
> > tools::testInstalledPackages(scope = "base")
> > tools::testInstalledPackages(scope = "recommended")
> >
> > That took 454s (using Rosetta) against 895s for my late-2016 MBP (2.9GHz
> > i5): happily nothing untoward was reported (some recommended packages give
> > differences from reference output on both systems).
> >
> > You need to install XQuartz to provide the X11() devices and support for
> > package Tcl/Tk: everything I tried using that worked as expected.
> >
> > Having done that post-installation check I would happily use the Intel R on
> > an M1 machine.
> >
> > We plan to check many of the Intel-compiled packages under Rosetta.
> >
> > There are many hours of work ahead to build/test a native toolchain: our
> > goal is to have a native distribution for R 4.1.0 ca April 2021.
> >
> > --
> > Brian D. Ripley, rip...@stats.ox.ac.uk
> > Emeritus Professor of Applied Statistics, University of Oxford
> >
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Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Apple Silicon aka M1 Macs
Thank to all who are working on this. Looks like a lot of work. Also looks
like when and if R can run in native mode on the M1 it will be very fast.
-Roy
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:57 AM, Prof Brian Ripley wrote:
>
> Mine (a 8GB MBA) arrived today, so I have started doing some comparisons.
>
> For the CRAN build of R 4.0.3, §2.8 of R-admin recommends checking the
> installation with
>
> pdf("tests.pdf") ## optional, but prevents flashing graphics windows
> Sys.setenv(LC_COLLATE = "C", LC_TIME = "C", LANGUAGE = "en")
> tools::testInstalledBasic("both")
> tools::testInstalledPackages(scope = "base")
> tools::testInstalledPackages(scope = "recommended")
>
> That took 454s (using Rosetta) against 895s for my late-2016 MBP (2.9GHz i5):
> happily nothing untoward was reported (some recommended packages give
> differences from reference output on both systems).
>
> You need to install XQuartz to provide the X11() devices and support for
> package Tcl/Tk: everything I tried using that worked as expected.
>
> Having done that post-installation check I would happily use the Intel R on
> an M1 machine.
>
> We plan to check many of the Intel-compiled packages under Rosetta.
>
> There are many hours of work ahead to build/test a native toolchain: our goal
> is to have a native distribution for R 4.1.0 ca April 2021.
>
> --
> Brian D. Ripley, rip...@stats.ox.ac.uk
> Emeritus Professor of Applied Statistics, University of Oxford
>
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NOAA/NMFS
Environmental Research Division
Southwest Fisheries Science Center
***Note new street address***
110 McAllister Way
Santa Cruz, CA 95060
Phone: (831)-420-3666
Fax: (831) 420-3980
e-mail: roy.mendelss...@noaa.gov www: https://www.pfeg.noaa.gov/
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"From those who have been given much, much will be expected"
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[R-SIG-Mac] Apple Silicon aka M1 Macs
Mine (a 8GB MBA) arrived today, so I have started doing some comparisons.
For the CRAN build of R 4.0.3, §2.8 of R-admin recommends checking the
installation with
pdf("tests.pdf") ## optional, but prevents flashing graphics windows
Sys.setenv(LC_COLLATE = "C", LC_TIME = "C", LANGUAGE = "en")
tools::testInstalledBasic("both")
tools::testInstalledPackages(scope = "base")
tools::testInstalledPackages(scope = "recommended")
That took 454s (using Rosetta) against 895s for my late-2016 MBP (2.9GHz
i5): happily nothing untoward was reported (some recommended packages
give differences from reference output on both systems).
You need to install XQuartz to provide the X11() devices and support for
package Tcl/Tk: everything I tried using that worked as expected.
Having done that post-installation check I would happily use the Intel R
on an M1 machine.
We plan to check many of the Intel-compiled packages under Rosetta.
There are many hours of work ahead to build/test a native toolchain: our
goal is to have a native distribution for R 4.1.0 ca April 2021.
--
Brian D. Ripley, rip...@stats.ox.ac.uk
Emeritus Professor of Applied Statistics, University of Oxford
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