Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Wiki or Development for Mac-R.app-graphics-insert-to-Word?
Thanks for all those contributions. What I can see as an action point is that quartz.save(..) should be extended to allow a DPI specification when used with type='png', such that you will get hi- res WYSIWYG. The later is crucial to me to be honest, that's why I was discouraging the use of png(..), bitmap(..) and friends. Although essentially the same can be achieved by using quartz.save(.., type='pdf')+Preview, but reducing the Preview step may be worthwhile. Cheers, Simon On Jan 30, 2007, at 5:22 PM, Martin Henry H. Stevens wrote: > Nice writing -- to the point. I have read the advice about png, and > when I use bitmap with res=400, it is great. However, lower > resolution (with drag and drop) is jaggy enough to be, IMHO, less- > than publication quality and less than good enough for my > presentations. This seems like a problem on my computer, or a simple > difference of opinion that would be great to be shared (option 1, > option 2). Disagreements are healthy, yes? > Hank > On Jan 30, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Thomas Lumley wrote: > >> On Mon, 29 Jan 2007, stefano iacus wrote: >> >>> Please stop this dogmatic war against/in_favor_of Word & Co. or I'm >>> forced to close this thread. >> >> A dogma-free summary: >> >> 1. Word (and the rest of office) doesn't display PDFs, but can >> display >> PNG or JPEG >> >> 2. PNG is better for statistical graphics >> >> 3. PNG can be produced by drag-and-drop, with Preview from a PDF, or >> directly from the png() driver. Simon (who should know) recommends >> drag >> and drop. I have tended to use the png() driver at higher-than- >> screen >> resolution. >> >> 4. Under Windows, PNG may require Quicktime in order to be displayed. >> >> 5. R does not know how to produce .wmf -- under Windows, R does >> device-independent graphics calls that are translated to .wmf, .png, >> .jpeg, or screen images by the operating system as required. This >> means it >> would not be easy to make .wmf on Mac. >> >> 6. Implementing .wmf output off Windows does not appear to be a high >> priority for any of the active (core or non-core) developers. If it >> happens, someone else will have to do it. >> >> 7. Many people have strong views on Word that go beyond questions >> of the >> use of R on Mac OS X platforms. >> >> >> -thomas >> >> ___ >> R-SIG-Mac mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac > > > > Dr. Hank Stevens, Assistant Professor > 338 Pearson Hall > Botany Department > Miami University > Oxford, OH 45056 > > Office: (513) 529-4206 > Lab: (513) 529-4262 > FAX: (513) 529-4243 > http://www.cas.muohio.edu/~stevenmh/ > http://www.muohio.edu/ecology/ > http://www.muohio.edu/botany/ > > "E Pluribus Unum" > > ___ > R-SIG-Mac mailing list > [email protected] > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac > > ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list [email protected] https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Wiki or Development for Mac-R.app-graphics-insert-to-Word?
Nice writing -- to the point. I have read the advice about png, and when I use bitmap with res=400, it is great. However, lower resolution (with drag and drop) is jaggy enough to be, IMHO, less- than publication quality and less than good enough for my presentations. This seems like a problem on my computer, or a simple difference of opinion that would be great to be shared (option 1, option 2). Disagreements are healthy, yes? Hank On Jan 30, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Thomas Lumley wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jan 2007, stefano iacus wrote: > >> Please stop this dogmatic war against/in_favor_of Word & Co. or I'm >> forced to close this thread. > > A dogma-free summary: > > 1. Word (and the rest of office) doesn't display PDFs, but can > display > PNG or JPEG > > 2. PNG is better for statistical graphics > > 3. PNG can be produced by drag-and-drop, with Preview from a PDF, or > directly from the png() driver. Simon (who should know) recommends > drag > and drop. I have tended to use the png() driver at higher-than-screen > resolution. > > 4. Under Windows, PNG may require Quicktime in order to be displayed. > > 5. R does not know how to produce .wmf -- under Windows, R does > device-independent graphics calls that are translated to .wmf, .png, > .jpeg, or screen images by the operating system as required. This > means it > would not be easy to make .wmf on Mac. > > 6. Implementing .wmf output off Windows does not appear to be a high > priority for any of the active (core or non-core) developers. If it > happens, someone else will have to do it. > > 7. Many people have strong views on Word that go beyond questions > of the > use of R on Mac OS X platforms. > > > -thomas > > ___ > R-SIG-Mac mailing list > [email protected] > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac Dr. Hank Stevens, Assistant Professor 338 Pearson Hall Botany Department Miami University Oxford, OH 45056 Office: (513) 529-4206 Lab: (513) 529-4262 FAX: (513) 529-4243 http://www.cas.muohio.edu/~stevenmh/ http://www.muohio.edu/ecology/ http://www.muohio.edu/botany/ "E Pluribus Unum" ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list [email protected] https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Wiki or Development for Mac-R.app-graphics-insert-to-Word?
On 1/30/07, Duncan Murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > 5. R does not know how to produce .wmf -- under Windows, R does > > device-independent graphics calls that are translated to .wmf, .png, > > .jpeg, or screen images by the operating system as required. > > That's true for wmf and on-screen displays, but R on Windows uses open > source code (in the src/gnuwin32/bitmap directory) for png and jpeg. > I've sometimes wondered why other platforms don't use that code too, to > avoid the need for X11 to generate those formats. More curiously, why doesn't R look into, say, Cairo for its bitmap drawing needs? I'm pretty sure there are even already a couple implementations of cairo-based devices around. -- Byron Ellis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) "Oook" -- The Librarian ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list [email protected] https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Wiki or Development for Mac-R.app-graphics-insert-to-Word?
On 1/30/2007 11:43 AM, Thomas Lumley wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jan 2007, stefano iacus wrote: > >> Please stop this dogmatic war against/in_favor_of Word & Co. or I'm >> forced to close this thread. > > A dogma-free summary: Not only dogma-free, but quite accurate. Not 100% > 1. Word (and the rest of office) doesn't display PDFs, but can display > PNG or JPEG > > 2. PNG is better for statistical graphics > > 3. PNG can be produced by drag-and-drop, with Preview from a PDF, or > directly from the png() driver. Simon (who should know) recommends drag > and drop. I have tended to use the png() driver at higher-than-screen > resolution. > > 4. Under Windows, PNG may require Quicktime in order to be displayed. > > 5. R does not know how to produce .wmf -- under Windows, R does > device-independent graphics calls that are translated to .wmf, .png, > .jpeg, or screen images by the operating system as required. That's true for wmf and on-screen displays, but R on Windows uses open source code (in the src/gnuwin32/bitmap directory) for png and jpeg. I've sometimes wondered why other platforms don't use that code too, to avoid the need for X11 to generate those formats. Duncan Murdoch > This means it > would not be easy to make .wmf on Mac. > > 6. Implementing .wmf output off Windows does not appear to be a high > priority for any of the active (core or non-core) developers. If it > happens, someone else will have to do it. > > 7. Many people have strong views on Word that go beyond questions of the > use of R on Mac OS X platforms. > > > -thomas > > ___ > R-SIG-Mac mailing list > [email protected] > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list [email protected] https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Wiki or Development for Mac-R.app-graphics-insert-to-Word?
Hi again, Le 07-01-29 à 16:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:47:09 -0500 > From: Simon Urbanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Wiki or Development for > Mac-R.app-graphics-insert-to-Word? > To: Don MacQueen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: R > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > On Jan 29, 2007, at 2:50 PM, Don MacQueen wrote: > >> I'd suggest you try using R's png() driver. > > I'd discourage that one a Mac as there is not really a need for that > - Quartz produces PNG directly and it's WYSIWYG unlike the png() > driver and Quartz has much better rendering. Now this is very interesting (see my problems with png() in previous post), how do you do this? I saw nothing on the quartz help, and the save as menu command does not give me the option to choose file format. > > > To get back on the topic: To be honest I don't really see a problem > here - Word can handle PDF very easily, just drop a PDF file in a > Word document - it works just fine (to make sure I'm talking about > Office 2004 here). > > The fact that it does so in Microsoft-ish way, that is by converting > it to a bitmap, is a technicality and given the overall quality of > Word output it is neither surprising nor will a regular Word user > notice this at all. I have not tried with Word, but PowerPoint produces a low res png that really looks bad on a large screen. Hence my use of other software (Preview or Acrobat) to translate into png instead of letting PowerPoint do it poorly. In fact, putting pdf plots in Keynote and exporting to PowerPoint format does a nicer job than importing the pdf directly in PowerPoint. > > R is open source, so if someone implements a device that generates > DOC or WMF files, uses some API to talk to Word or anything similar, > they are free to contribute it to R or the R.app GUI. > > Cheers, > Simon Denis ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list [email protected] https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Wiki or Development for Mac-R.app-graphics-insert-to-Word?
On Mon, 29 Jan 2007, stefano iacus wrote: > Please stop this dogmatic war against/in_favor_of Word & Co. or I'm > forced to close this thread. A dogma-free summary: 1. Word (and the rest of office) doesn't display PDFs, but can display PNG or JPEG 2. PNG is better for statistical graphics 3. PNG can be produced by drag-and-drop, with Preview from a PDF, or directly from the png() driver. Simon (who should know) recommends drag and drop. I have tended to use the png() driver at higher-than-screen resolution. 4. Under Windows, PNG may require Quicktime in order to be displayed. 5. R does not know how to produce .wmf -- under Windows, R does device-independent graphics calls that are translated to .wmf, .png, .jpeg, or screen images by the operating system as required. This means it would not be easy to make .wmf on Mac. 6. Implementing .wmf output off Windows does not appear to be a high priority for any of the active (core or non-core) developers. If it happens, someone else will have to do it. 7. Many people have strong views on Word that go beyond questions of the use of R on Mac OS X platforms. -thomas ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list [email protected] https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
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Thank you everyone for your input. It is precisely all of this confusion/disagreement/incompatibilities that led me to post my query. I have just tried everything that has been suggested, and will try to summarize it a little. One issue is relative quality of images. How good is good enough? Maybe a 5-R rating will be assigned to the perfect solution ;-). Cheers, Hank On Jan 29, 2007, at 5:04 PM, Phillip Price wrote: > > On Jan 29, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Don MacQueen wrote: > >> I'd suggest you try using R's png() driver. >> I am satisfied with how graphics imported into Word or PowerPoint >> look if save using png(). >> >> Note that Adobe Illustrator for Mac has a "Save for Microsoft Office" >> option, and it saves in png format. > > I agree with Don: png() and bitmap() work well for me. > > I usually use bitmap() to create .png file; I highly recommend > setting res[olution] = 300 or so, to avoid jaggies. > > --Phil Price Dr. Hank Stevens, Assistant Professor 338 Pearson Hall Botany Department Miami University Oxford, OH 45056 Office: (513) 529-4206 Lab: (513) 529-4262 FAX: (513) 529-4243 http://www.cas.muohio.edu/~stevenmh/ http://www.muohio.edu/ecology/ http://www.muohio.edu/botany/ "E Pluribus Unum" ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list [email protected] https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Wiki or Development for Mac-R.app-graphics-insert-to-Word?
On Jan 29, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Don MacQueen wrote: > I'd suggest you try using R's png() driver. > I am satisfied with how graphics imported into Word or PowerPoint > look if save using png(). > > Note that Adobe Illustrator for Mac has a "Save for Microsoft Office" > option, and it saves in png format. I agree with Don: png() and bitmap() work well for me. I usually use bitmap() to create .png file; I highly recommend setting res[olution] = 300 or so, to avoid jaggies. --Phil Price ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list [email protected] https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Wiki or Development for Mac-R.app-graphics-insert-to-Word?
Please stop this dogmatic war against/in_favor_of Word & Co. or I'm forced to close this thread. No-one obliges anyone to use Word and no product can be dangerous to R (by any meaning of the word "dangerous"). If someone wants to write code for some I/O API to allow interoperability between R and other products, he/she is welcome. That being said, I'm not the one. stefano On 29/gen/07, at 22:08, Mick McQuaid wrote: > I'm disappointed by the short-sightedness of this message. > > ... regarding a message from Richard De Veaux on Jan 29: >> I don't think this forum is the appropriate place for personal >> harangues >> against Word. There are enough other R issues to keep us busy. > > Word is the software equivalent of Caulerpa taxifolia, the > green alga that tries to make its environment as > inhospitable to other living organisms as it can. > > If you just sit there and do nothing, it will eventually > stifle anything that threatens it, and this includes > any software of any type that is platform-neutral. > Platform neutrality threatens the monopoly. > > In other words, I am saying that Word is dangerous to R. > > I don't expect casual MS Office users in general to > understand this, but it really surprises me to see a lack of > resistance to MS Office in a group like this. > > ... regarding a message from Richard De Veaux on Jan 29: >> I don't think this forum is the appropriate place for personal >> harangues >> against Word. There are enough other R issues to keep us busy. >> >> Cheers, >> Dick De Veaux >> >> >> >> On 1/29/07 2:25 PM, "Federico Calboli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> On 29 Jan 2007, at 19:07, Ben Bolker wrote: >>> Have you ever tried to submit a LaTeX document (or any non-Word format: PDF, DVI, RTF, ...) to a biological journal? >>> >>> Just refuse to referee anything sent to you, and to fill in any form >>> as a referee, if they are in .doc. Point out they are *not* a >>> standard. Ask colleagues to do the same. >>> >>> People do respond to incentives. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Federico >>> >>> -- >>> Federico C. F. Calboli >>> Department of Epidemiology and Public Health >>> Imperial College, St. Mary's Campus >>> Norfolk Place, London W2 1PG >>> >>> Tel +44 (0)20 75941602 Fax +44 (0)20 75943193 >>> >>> f.calboli [.a.t] imperial.ac.uk >>> f.calboli [.a.t] gmail.com >>> >>> ___ >>> R-SIG-Mac mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac >> >> ___ >> R-SIG-Mac mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac >> >> > > -- > Michael McQuaid, Assistant Professor > School of Information, School of Art & Design > University of Michigan > 305B West Hall, 1085 South University Ave. > Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1107 > 734-647-9550 voice 734-764-2475 fax > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mickmcquaid.com > > ___ > R-SIG-Mac mailing list > [email protected] > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list [email protected] https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
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Use Preview? I just saved a PDF created in R on linux into a PNG using Preview's conversion on Mac, then dragged the file off my desktop into a Word 2004 document on Mac. I opened the file using Word for Windows running under Parallels and it looked just fine. E.g. I could see and re-size the PNG in Word. Preview can be programmed with automator if that is more efficient. --Eric P.S. However, for maximum efficiency, it may be necessary to create an Automator script to delete all copies of Word that infest your computer. ;-) Byron Ellis wrote: > On 1/29/07, Simon Urbanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> To get back on the topic: To be honest I don't really see a problem >> here - Word can handle PDF very easily, just drop a PDF file in a >> Word document - it works just fine (to make sure I'm talking about >> Office 2004 here). >> >> The fact that it does so in Microsoft-ish way, that is by converting >> it to a bitmap, is a technicality and given the overall quality of >> Word output it is neither surprising nor will a regular Word user >> notice this at all. >> > > Unfortunately, it happens to convert it to a form of bitmap that is > not visible on PC platforms unless they have Quicktime installed (as I > rediscover every time I need to make a Word document... :-) ) > > > ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list [email protected] https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
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Another trick is to open your save quartz graphics with Preview.app and then Save As... some other graphic format, including png. Also, copying to the clipboard from the quartz device should copy both in PICT format and PDF format. Copy and paste from the clipboard into Word works, but I'm not able to test if word under windows accepts such embedded PICT files even if Word compatibility report says it is ok. BTW, I think it would be nice if we can produce some WMF format grabbing some code from the copy.to.clipboard funtionality of R for WinDog (unless the code uses some .DLL) I also agree that copy from Excel into R is a nice thing to do, but I don't see too much people willing to implement this. stefano On 29/gen/07, at 21:53, Byron Ellis wrote: > On 1/29/07, Simon Urbanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> To get back on the topic: To be honest I don't really see a problem >> here - Word can handle PDF very easily, just drop a PDF file in a >> Word document - it works just fine (to make sure I'm talking about >> Office 2004 here). >> >> The fact that it does so in Microsoft-ish way, that is by converting >> it to a bitmap, is a technicality and given the overall quality of >> Word output it is neither surprising nor will a regular Word user >> notice this at all. > > Unfortunately, it happens to convert it to a form of bitmap that is > not visible on PC platforms unless they have Quicktime installed (as I > rediscover every time I need to make a Word document... :-) ) > > > -- > Byron Ellis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > "Oook" -- The Librarian > > ___ > R-SIG-Mac mailing list > [email protected] > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac > ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list [email protected] https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
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I'm disappointed by the short-sightedness of this message. ... regarding a message from Richard De Veaux on Jan 29: > I don't think this forum is the appropriate place for personal harangues > against Word. There are enough other R issues to keep us busy. Word is the software equivalent of Caulerpa taxifolia, the green alga that tries to make its environment as inhospitable to other living organisms as it can. If you just sit there and do nothing, it will eventually stifle anything that threatens it, and this includes any software of any type that is platform-neutral. Platform neutrality threatens the monopoly. In other words, I am saying that Word is dangerous to R. I don't expect casual MS Office users in general to understand this, but it really surprises me to see a lack of resistance to MS Office in a group like this. ... regarding a message from Richard De Veaux on Jan 29: > I don't think this forum is the appropriate place for personal harangues > against Word. There are enough other R issues to keep us busy. > > Cheers, > Dick De Veaux > > > > On 1/29/07 2:25 PM, "Federico Calboli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 29 Jan 2007, at 19:07, Ben Bolker wrote: > > > >> Have you ever tried to submit a LaTeX document (or any non-Word > >> format: PDF, DVI, RTF, ...) to a biological > >> journal? > > > > Just refuse to referee anything sent to you, and to fill in any form > > as a referee, if they are in .doc. Point out they are *not* a > > standard. Ask colleagues to do the same. > > > > People do respond to incentives. > > > > Best, > > > > Federico > > > > -- > > Federico C. F. Calboli > > Department of Epidemiology and Public Health > > Imperial College, St. Mary's Campus > > Norfolk Place, London W2 1PG > > > > Tel +44 (0)20 75941602 Fax +44 (0)20 75943193 > > > > f.calboli [.a.t] imperial.ac.uk > > f.calboli [.a.t] gmail.com > > > > ___ > > R-SIG-Mac mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac > > ___ > R-SIG-Mac mailing list > [email protected] > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac > > -- Michael McQuaid, Assistant Professor School of Information, School of Art & Design University of Michigan 305B West Hall, 1085 South University Ave. Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1107 734-647-9550 voice 734-764-2475 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mickmcquaid.com ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list [email protected] https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
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On 1/29/07, Simon Urbanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To get back on the topic: To be honest I don't really see a problem > here - Word can handle PDF very easily, just drop a PDF file in a > Word document - it works just fine (to make sure I'm talking about > Office 2004 here). > > The fact that it does so in Microsoft-ish way, that is by converting > it to a bitmap, is a technicality and given the overall quality of > Word output it is neither surprising nor will a regular Word user > notice this at all. Unfortunately, it happens to convert it to a form of bitmap that is not visible on PC platforms unless they have Quicktime installed (as I rediscover every time I need to make a Word document... :-) ) -- Byron Ellis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) "Oook" -- The Librarian ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list [email protected] https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
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On Jan 29, 2007, at 2:50 PM, Don MacQueen wrote: > I'd suggest you try using R's png() driver. I'd discourage that one a Mac as there is not really a need for that - Quartz produces PNG directly and it's WYSIWYG unlike the png() driver and Quartz has much better rendering. To get back on the topic: To be honest I don't really see a problem here - Word can handle PDF very easily, just drop a PDF file in a Word document - it works just fine (to make sure I'm talking about Office 2004 here). The fact that it does so in Microsoft-ish way, that is by converting it to a bitmap, is a technicality and given the overall quality of Word output it is neither surprising nor will a regular Word user notice this at all. R is open source, so if someone implements a device that generates DOC or WMF files, uses some API to talk to Word or anything similar, they are free to contribute it to R or the R.app GUI. Cheers, Simon > I am satisfied with how graphics imported into Word or PowerPoint > look if save using png(). > > Note that Adobe Illustrator for Mac has a "Save for Microsoft Office" > option, and it saves in png format. > > -Don > > At 1:42 PM -0500 1/29/07, Martin Henry H. Stevens wrote: >> Hi Folks, >> >> While I do not use Microsoft Word for my own work, I >> (i) I teach R to people who use Word and PowerPoint, and >> (ii) many people use Word around here would like to use R, but are >> frustrated about getting graphics into Word. >> >> My most recent response to a colleague, and my preferred solution for >> others on a Mac was: >> ### >> 1. Mac OSX uses PDF format for vector-graphics format, and R can make >> PDFs beautifully -- try opening them in Preview or Acrobat Reader. >> Microsoft Word, however, cannot handle PDF graphics, uses EMF/WMF >> format for vector graphics. On PC's, R can create EMF/WMF format, but >> it does not do so on Macs. >> >> 2. On Macs, the best solution I have found for putting images into >> PowerPoint and Word is to save R images as PDFs, open them in >> GraphicConverter (a utility that comes with a Mac), then save as JPEG >> format (with 100% resolution) and insert that into a Word document. >> That will look very good. I seem to remember that Powerpoint is not >> as limited. >> >> 3. Note that if you make a Word document (like a manuscript) that >> contains EMF/WMF graphics, Word on the Mac cannot read images in the >> Word file made on the PC. >> >> 4. The best success I had came when I stopped using Word, but I >> realize that that is NOT for everyone. >> ### >> >> I found a couple relevant threads (e.g. http://finzi.psych.upenn.edu/ >> R/Rhelp02a/archive/34950.html), but I was wondering what else might >> be going on. >> >> Is a move being made to help folks who are wedded to Word? Such a >> move would be useful, I think. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Hank >> >> >> Dr. Hank Stevens, Assistant Professor >> 338 Pearson Hall >> Botany Department >> Miami University >> Oxford, OH 45056 >> >> Office: (513) 529-4206 >> Lab: (513) 529-4262 >> FAX: (513) 529-4243 >> http://www.cas.muohio.edu/~stevenmh/ >> http://www.muohio.edu/ecology/ >> http://www.muohio.edu/botany/ >> >> "E Pluribus Unum" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [[alternative HTML version deleted]] >> >> ___ >> R-SIG-Mac mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac > > > -- > -- > Don MacQueen > Environmental Protection Department > Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory > Livermore, CA, USA > > ___ > R-SIG-Mac mailing list > [email protected] > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac > > ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list [email protected] https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
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*ahem* I think the developers for the Mac version of R will do whatever they please. This may in fact include better compatibility with a certain office suite. It may not. Personally, I would like the ability to drag and drop (or cut and paste) from Excel to R's GUI directly into a data frame. I think it would be nice and it would make life much easier for my collaborators when the discover the limits of Excel. Tears of joy! It would also be nice to drag and drop to Word and have those same collaborators able to read the file on the PC side on the first try (this, IMO, is actually a bug in Word's pasting code---it transfers everything to PICT despite the fact that a) PICT is dead and b) other formats are available. It *should* select the most compatible format, either JPEG or PNG). It's not like LaTeX isn't without its own problems, but I use it for its strengths (macros) not its open source nature. On 1/29/07, Federico Calboli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 29 Jan 2007, at 19:35, Richard De Veaux wrote: > > > I don't think this forum is the appropriate place for personal > > harangues > > against Word. There are enough other R issues to keep us busy. > > I disagree. I don't thing the developers of R for Mac shoud spend > their time (which, I dare presume, ain't infinite) to make stuff > easier for "Word" users. > > Other members of the community have the full right to disagree, but, > as a member of the community, I have the right to say I don't think > time spend on making R graphics more "Word" friendly is time well spent. > > Best, > > Fede > > -- > Federico C. F. Calboli > Department of Epidemiology and Public Health > Imperial College, St. Mary's Campus > Norfolk Place, London W2 1PG > > Tel +44 (0)20 75941602 Fax +44 (0)20 75943193 > > f.calboli [.a.t] imperial.ac.uk > f.calboli [.a.t] gmail.com > > ___ > R-SIG-Mac mailing list > [email protected] > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac > -- Byron Ellis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) "Oook" -- The Librarian ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list [email protected] https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
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I'd suggest you try using R's png() driver. I am satisfied with how graphics imported into Word or PowerPoint look if save using png(). Note that Adobe Illustrator for Mac has a "Save for Microsoft Office" option, and it saves in png format. -Don At 1:42 PM -0500 1/29/07, Martin Henry H. Stevens wrote: >Hi Folks, > >While I do not use Microsoft Word for my own work, I >(i) I teach R to people who use Word and PowerPoint, and >(ii) many people use Word around here would like to use R, but are >frustrated about getting graphics into Word. > >My most recent response to a colleague, and my preferred solution for >others on a Mac was: >### >1. Mac OSX uses PDF format for vector-graphics format, and R can make >PDFs beautifully -- try opening them in Preview or Acrobat Reader. >Microsoft Word, however, cannot handle PDF graphics, uses EMF/WMF >format for vector graphics. On PC's, R can create EMF/WMF format, but >it does not do so on Macs. > >2. On Macs, the best solution I have found for putting images into >PowerPoint and Word is to save R images as PDFs, open them in >GraphicConverter (a utility that comes with a Mac), then save as JPEG >format (with 100% resolution) and insert that into a Word document. >That will look very good. I seem to remember that Powerpoint is not >as limited. > >3. Note that if you make a Word document (like a manuscript) that >contains EMF/WMF graphics, Word on the Mac cannot read images in the >Word file made on the PC. > >4. The best success I had came when I stopped using Word, but I >realize that that is NOT for everyone. >### > >I found a couple relevant threads (e.g. http://finzi.psych.upenn.edu/ >R/Rhelp02a/archive/34950.html), but I was wondering what else might >be going on. > >Is a move being made to help folks who are wedded to Word? Such a >move would be useful, I think. > >Thanks, > >Hank > > >Dr. Hank Stevens, Assistant Professor >338 Pearson Hall >Botany Department >Miami University >Oxford, OH 45056 > >Office: (513) 529-4206 >Lab: (513) 529-4262 >FAX: (513) 529-4243 >http://www.cas.muohio.edu/~stevenmh/ >http://www.muohio.edu/ecology/ >http://www.muohio.edu/botany/ > >"E Pluribus Unum" > > > > > > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > >___ >R-SIG-Mac mailing list >[email protected] >https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac -- -- Don MacQueen Environmental Protection Department Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Livermore, CA, USA ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list [email protected] https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Wiki or Development for Mac-R.app-graphics-insert-to-Word?
On 29 Jan 2007, at 19:35, Richard De Veaux wrote: > I don't think this forum is the appropriate place for personal > harangues > against Word. There are enough other R issues to keep us busy. I disagree. I don't thing the developers of R for Mac shoud spend their time (which, I dare presume, ain't infinite) to make stuff easier for "Word" users. Other members of the community have the full right to disagree, but, as a member of the community, I have the right to say I don't think time spend on making R graphics more "Word" friendly is time well spent. Best, Fede -- Federico C. F. Calboli Department of Epidemiology and Public Health Imperial College, St. Mary's Campus Norfolk Place, London W2 1PG Tel +44 (0)20 75941602 Fax +44 (0)20 75943193 f.calboli [.a.t] imperial.ac.uk f.calboli [.a.t] gmail.com ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list [email protected] https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Wiki or Development for Mac-R.app-graphics-insert-to-Word?
I don't think this forum is the appropriate place for personal harangues against Word. There are enough other R issues to keep us busy. Cheers, Dick De Veaux On 1/29/07 2:25 PM, "Federico Calboli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 29 Jan 2007, at 19:07, Ben Bolker wrote: > >> Have you ever tried to submit a LaTeX document (or any non-Word >> format: PDF, DVI, RTF, ...) to a biological >> journal? > > Just refuse to referee anything sent to you, and to fill in any form > as a referee, if they are in .doc. Point out they are *not* a > standard. Ask colleagues to do the same. > > People do respond to incentives. > > Best, > > Federico > > -- > Federico C. F. Calboli > Department of Epidemiology and Public Health > Imperial College, St. Mary's Campus > Norfolk Place, London W2 1PG > > Tel +44 (0)20 75941602 Fax +44 (0)20 75943193 > > f.calboli [.a.t] imperial.ac.uk > f.calboli [.a.t] gmail.com > > ___ > R-SIG-Mac mailing list > [email protected] > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list [email protected] https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Wiki or Development for Mac-R.app-graphics-insert-to-Word?
On 29 Jan 2007, at 19:07, Ben Bolker wrote: > Have you ever tried to submit a LaTeX document (or any non-Word > format: PDF, DVI, RTF, ...) to a biological > journal? Just refuse to referee anything sent to you, and to fill in any form as a referee, if they are in .doc. Point out they are *not* a standard. Ask colleagues to do the same. People do respond to incentives. Best, Federico -- Federico C. F. Calboli Department of Epidemiology and Public Health Imperial College, St. Mary's Campus Norfolk Place, London W2 1PG Tel +44 (0)20 75941602 Fax +44 (0)20 75943193 f.calboli [.a.t] imperial.ac.uk f.calboli [.a.t] gmail.com ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list [email protected] https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Wiki or Development for Mac-R.app-graphics-insert-to-Word?
On 29 Jan 2007, at 18:42, Martin Henry H. Stevens wrote: > 4. The best success I had came when I stopped using Word, but I > realize that that is NOT for everyone. > Is a move being made to help folks who are wedded to Word? Such a > move would be useful, I think. Unhelpful as it might sound, people wedded to "Word" should divorce. Full stop. The fourth point is moot... people used other stuff before "Word", and any person smart enough to use R could use something else (Latex?) --for no better reason that the .doc files produced by "Word" are not even a standard file format, just an inconvenience. Best, Federico -- Federico C. F. Calboli Department of Epidemiology and Public Health Imperial College, St. Mary's Campus Norfolk Place, London W2 1PG Tel +44 (0)20 75941602 Fax +44 (0)20 75943193 f.calboli [.a.t] imperial.ac.uk f.calboli [.a.t] gmail.com ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list [email protected] https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
