Re: [R-sig-phylo] estimating the evolutionary rate of a continous trait

2016-04-15 Thread Hunt, Gene
Hi Belinda, I agree with Brian�s comment. I�d also add the more general point that OU models don�t really have a clearly interpretable rate parameter in the same way that BM models do. In BM models, the sigma parameter controls the pace of trait evolution: the expected change over a given

Re: [R-sig-phylo] estimating the evolutionary rate of a continous trait

2016-04-15 Thread Brian O'Meara
Hi, Belinda. One thing to watch is over-intepretation: BM is consistent with drift, OU is consistent with selection, but various kinds of selection can also lead to BM. [1]. A lot of the people involved in these methods (including me) are guilty of sloppiness in language in this area, leading to

[R-sig-phylo] estimating the evolutionary rate of a continous trait

2016-04-15 Thread Belinda Kahnt
Dear all, I am a newbie to this mailing list and phylogenetic analyses in R and hope you can comment on a question I have. I would like to estimate the rate of evolution of a continous trait and check if the trait evolves faster along some branches of the topology. I already checked with Pagels

Re: [R-sig-phylo] BiSSE/MacroCAIC on Non-Ultrametric Tree with Polytomies?

2016-04-15 Thread Brian A. Gill
Hi David and Joe. Thanks for your input/questions. David: My tree is non-ultrametric because it is undated tree of extant taxa. It does not include taxa from the fossil record. Making a dated tree seems like a good option, but what about the option of using NonParametric Rate Smoothing (NPRS) or

Re: [R-sig-phylo] BiSSE/MacroCAIC on Non-Ultrametric Tree with Polytomies?

2016-04-15 Thread David Bapst
Brian- Is your tree non-ultrametric because it contains extinct taxa from the fossil record, or is it simply an undated tree of extant taxa? To my knowledge, there isn't yet a satisfactory solution to the first (no BISSE for paleo-phylogenies) but if the second then, it seems the best route