Re: [R-sig-phylo] comparing rates of evolution of a phenotypic trait among clades

2017-07-23 Thread Theodore Garland
Hi Karla, The original simple way to compare two clades, using phylogenetically independent contrasts, is here. Newer methods may have higher power, but this method is straightforward. Garland, Jr., T. 1992. Rate tests for phenotypic evolution using phylogenetically independent contrasts. The

Re: [R-sig-phylo] comparing rates of evolution of a phenotypic trait among clades

2017-07-23 Thread Julien Clavel
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Re: [R-sig-phylo] comparing rates of evolution of a phenotypic trait among clades

2017-07-22 Thread Liam J. Revell
Hi Karla. This is not yet possible, but it would be straightforward to add. For instance, we could let the user specify different models such as A==B!=C vs. A!=B==C and so on, and then compare this models in a standard way. I will try to do this soon and then get back to you & the list. All

Re: [R-sig-phylo] comparing rates of evolution of a phenotypic trait among clades

2017-07-22 Thread Karla Shikev
Thanks, Liam! Just a quick follow-up question: in the example I saw on your webpage (with three clades, one of which with a higher rate), how would you go about a sort of "post-hoc" test to determine which clades differ significantly from one another in their rates? Karla On Sat, Jul 22, 2017

Re: [R-sig-phylo] comparing rates of evolution of a phenotypic trait among clades

2017-07-22 Thread Liam J. Revell
Hi Karla. phytools has a function called ratebytree for this. This essentially corresponds to the 'censored' model of O'Meara et al. 2006, but we also have a submitted manuscript describing it. I can send you that in a second email. For more information about using the function you can

[R-sig-phylo] comparing rates of evolution of a phenotypic trait among clades

2017-07-22 Thread Karla Shikev
Dear all, I'd like to test whether the rate of evolution of a phenotypic trait (e.g. body size) is significantly different among distantly-related clades (e.g. mammals vs birds). I got tip data and completely resolved and callibrated trees. One possibility would be to estimate rates and their