Re: [racket-users] New website design feedback

[Hendrik Boom]

On Tue, Jan 03, 2017 at 04:26:11PM +, Stephen De Gabrielle wrote:
> >
> > I often look up documentation on my phone  while using my computer
> > for coding.  Otherwise I'd have to get my laptop to talk to two
> > screens, and it's just not up to that.
> 
> 
> Don't you find the documentation text a little small on the phone? (What
> phone and how big is the screen)

A Nexus 5.  No problem reading text because I'm  extremely nearsighted.

-- hendrik

> I do prefer using two screens because a 13in laptop screen is a little to
> small to use DrRacket and view the documentation. (Its doable but painful.)

But yes, it might be good to have the documentation integrated into the 
development environment.  But my lapttop screen has an 11 inch 
diagonal.  Not really an option.

-- hendrik

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Re: [racket-users] New website design feedback

[Hendrik Boom]

On Mon, Jan 02, 2017 at 11:14:02AM +, Stephen De Gabrielle wrote:

> - it resizes nicely to the small screen of my phone (i don't see the point
> as I can't use DrRacket on my iPhone...this is not a bad thing as typing
> code on a phone is a terrible idea)

I often look up documentation on my phone  while using my computer 
for coding.  Otherwise I'd have to get my laptop to talk to two 
screens, and it's just not up to that.

-- hendrik

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Re: [racket-users] New website design feedback

[Greg Trzeciak]

On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 5:50:22 PM UTC+1, Matthew Butterick wrote:

> They're just little SVG doodles made with `racket/draw`. I like to use 
> complex numbers to draw things because they're already two-dimensional. A 
> couple doodles have random elements so they change slightly when the page is 
> rebuilt. 
> 
> 
> https://github.com/racket/racket-lang-org/blob/master/www/index-illos.rkt

Thank you for the link!

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Re: [racket-users] New website design feedback

[Matthew Butterick]

> On Jan 2, 2017, at 5:42 AM, Greg Trzeciak  wrote:
> 
> The reason I asked is because I've noticed some differences between images in 
> between version of the new website so I thought that maybe some generative 
> art package was used and I wondered what it could be.

They're just little SVG doodles made with `racket/draw`. I like to use complex 
numbers to draw things because they're already two-dimensional. A couple 
doodles have random elements so they change slightly when the page is rebuilt. 

https://github.com/racket/racket-lang-org/blob/master/www/index-illos.rkt 


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Re: [racket-users] New website design feedback

[Greg Trzeciak]

On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 12:14:15 PM UTC+1, spdegabrielle wrote:
> I'm guessing the 2htdp/image library was used to generate the nice 
> backgrounds as per the #lang racket Sierpinski example. You could also use 
> the racket/draw library.

The reason I asked is because I've noticed some differences between images in 
between version of the new website so I thought that maybe some generative art 
package was used and I wondered what it could be.



Also the resizing seems to be fixed now - or maybe it was never broken and I 
had old images cached causing the distortion. The new buttons (with blue 
Download) work perfectly fine.

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Re: [racket-users] New website design feedback

[Stephen De Gabrielle]

Great new design
FWIW I noticed the following
- when you select the code examples the grey is replaced with documentation
style linked code
- it resizes nicely to the small screen of my phone (i don't see the point
as I can't use DrRacket on my iPhone...this is not a bad thing as typing
code on a phone is a terrible idea)

I'm guessing the 2htdp/image library was used to generate the nice
backgrounds as per the #lang racket Sierpinski example. You could also use
the racket/draw library.

Kind regards
Stephen

On Mon, 2 Jan 2017 at 10:13, Greg Trzeciak  wrote:

> On Thursday, December 29, 2016 at 6:46:12 PM UTC+1, Matthew Butterick
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I darkened them a bit. But grey text has been used in screen interfaces
> for 30 yrs to indicate de-emphasis, and is widely used on today's web (e.g.
> Github). That particular horse is long out of the barn.
>
>
>
> I'd rather think of myself as being ahead of time ;)
>
>
>
> Now to the serious points - it looks really good now and satisfies all of
> the issues I had. One new minor issue - when you resize your browser to the
> minimum width possible the top 3 buttons (docs, packages, download) are the
> only elements that don't fit in one line and slightly distort the
> eye-pleasing layout .
>
>
>
> BTW What did you use to generate those images used behind eg. "Powerful
> macros & languages"?
>
>
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Re: [racket-users] New website design feedback

['John Clements' via Racket Users]

> On Dec 29, 2016, at 09:46, Matthew Butterick  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2016, at 6:55 AM, Greg Trzeciak  wrote:
>> 
>> 1. There is one thing that frustrates me most when I stumble upon new 
>> website/package/repository for the first time and I have no previous 
>> knowledge of its content. It is due to the amount of time it takes me to get 
>> an answer to a simple question: "What am I looking at?". 
> 
> We will be adding something like that shortly.

Let me add my thanks to everyone else’s; I really appreciate the work that 
you’ve put into this. Making everyone happy is the hardest part!

John Clements



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Re: [racket-users] New website design feedback

[Matthew Butterick]

> On Dec 23, 2016, at 6:55 AM, Greg Trzeciak  wrote:
> 
> 1. There is one thing that frustrates me most when I stumble upon new 
> website/package/repository for the first time and I have no previous 
> knowledge of its content. It is due to the amount of time it takes me to get 
> an answer to a simple question: "What am I looking at?". 

We will be adding something like that shortly.



> 2. Greyed out code snippets - I am not a fan of too much greyed out text or 
> code. It causes unnecessary eye strain. If this has to stay maybe make it not 
> AS GREY as it is right now.

I darkened them a bit. But grey text has been used in screen interfaces for 30 
yrs to indicate de-emphasis, and is widely used on today's web (e.g. Github). 
That particular horse is long out of the barn. 



> 3. I understand other pages like documentation (or rather its out of place 
> top black Racket bar) and Packages will also have a look overhaul. If that's 
> the case than one word: great! Especially that the old Packages (pkgs...) 
> looks now terribly outdated

Docs has been updated. Pkgs soon.




> On Dec 24, 2016, at 6:05 PM, George Neuner  wrote:
> At the top of the #lang(uage) example section, I would add a line
> about how "Racket is many languages in one" (or similar), and then at
> the end of the section add a blurb about how you can "make [your own]
> languages".

We will be adding something like that shortly.




>  I would add another link to the
> Documentation section (or more likely point the "Documentation" link
> again to the Software section so both are on screen together).

If I can find a way to fit in a Docs link in the top bar, I will do that. 
That's probably worthwhile.

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[racket-users] New website design feedback

[Greg Trzeciak]

Firstly - congratulations to Matthew Butterick on beautiful design!

Now to the feedback:
1. There is one thing that frustrates me most when I stumble upon new 
website/package/repository for the first time and I have no previous knowledge 
of its content. It is due to the amount of time it takes me to get an answer to 
a simple question: "What am I looking at?". If I can get the answer quicker 
using google search or wikipedia than the website itself is probably missing 
something.
With current design I get the answer as to what it includes (eg. batteries, it 
can run cross-platform) before I can conclude that Racket is probably a 
programming language (and some more cool stuff) although this is never stated 
just inferred. Calling Racket a programming language maybe sells it short but 
at least gives the answer to the question "What am I looking at". Placing 
something like the old "Programming-language Programming Language" somewhere 
near the top may solve the issue.
2. Greyed out code snippets - I am not a fan of too much greyed out text or 
code. It causes unnecessary eye strain. If this has to stay maybe make it not 
AS GREY as it is right now.
3. I understand other pages like documentation (or rather its out of place top 
black Racket bar) and Packages will also have a look overhaul. If that's the 
case than one word: great! Especially that the old Packages (pkgs...) looks now 
terribly outdated
4. [NON-DESIGN] Racket Manifesto link (under "The Best of Scheme/Lisp) gives 
404 error page. I think these most important documents should be placed on 
Racket server to avoid this in the future.

These are just my personal views - feel free to adapt/ignore.

Greg

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