Re: [racket-users] Question from a beginner. Why Racket Over Scheme?

2021-07-13 Thread 'John Clements' via Racket Users 
Allow me to be very slightly less cautious than Robby: it may not be clear from 
this text that nearly every BSL program is also a Racket program *and* a Scheme 
program. If you work through HtDP—or even a part of it—you will be, I claim,  
both a Scheme and a Racket programmer. (And perhaps also a better Python, C, 
and Haskell programmer).

In other words: if your concern is that HtDP will not teach you Scheme, you 
need not worry.

John

> On Jul 13, 2021, at 11:19, Robby Findler  wrote:
> 
> I would say that the stuff in HtDP is teaching you the fundamentals of 
> programming; it isn't (about) teaching you a specific programming language. 
> These fundamentals apply to any programming language you might wish to 
> program in. And, of course, the book does use a (set of) languages to teach 
> you, but that's more about having something so that you can practice than it 
> is about teaching you the specifics of BSL.
> 
> If your goal is to learn how to program, just in general, I think HtDP is the 
> book for you. If your goal is something else, then HtDP may not be for you.
> 
> I should also add that I think that the learning the fundamentals of how to 
> program is a wonderful thing and I am very happy that I have learned them. It 
> is even better than my job overlaps with my favorite hobby (which happens to 
> be programming); I consider myself extremely lucky because of that!
> 
> best,
> Robby
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 10:12 AM joseph turco  
> wrote:
> I see. The stuff in HtDP, does it transfer over to any Racket syntax?
> 
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 10:56 AM George Neuner  wrote:
> 
> On 7/13/2021 10:13 AM, joseph turco wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Im am looking at learning a programming language, and have been bouncing 
>> around with scheme/racket/dyalog APL/squeak. upon investigation of scheme 
>> and racket, i found that in regards to racket, there really isn't a 
>> "Beginners book" that teaches the language. The only beginner book i could 
>> really see being close to teaching the language is HtDP, but that doesn't 
>> technically teach racket, but BSL. For scheme, im able to find beginner 
>> books, unless im not looking deep enough. Maybe if you fine folk don't mind 
>> pointing me in the right direction? Please excuse my ignorance.
>> 
>> -- Joseph T
> 
> Welcome.
> 
> Racket[*] largely is based on Scheme, and so much of what you learn about 
> Scheme will transfer.  Racket supports R5RS and R6RS Scheme as legacy 
> languages, so you can learn about Scheme /using/ Racket and its tools.  Then 
> when you are more comfortable, you can transition to using the Racket module 
> language instead.
> 
> George
> [*]  At least the untyped Racket language.  Racket really is a /suite/ of 
> languages: there also is a typed Racket, a lazy Racket, and various DSLs 
> (domain languages) which compile to and (mostly) freely intermix with Racket.
> 
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Re: [racket-users] Question from a beginner. Why Racket Over Scheme?

2021-07-13 Thread Robby Findler 
I would say that the stuff in HtDP is teaching you the fundamentals of
programming; it isn't (about) teaching you a specific programming language.
These fundamentals apply to any programming language you might wish to
program in. And, of course, the book does use a (set of) languages to teach
you, but that's more about having something so that you can practice than
it is about teaching you the specifics of BSL.

If your goal is to learn how to program, just in general, I think HtDP is
the book for you. If your goal is something else, then HtDP may not be for
you.

I should also add that I think that the learning the fundamentals of how to
program is a wonderful thing and I am very happy that I have learned them.
It is even better than my job overlaps with my favorite hobby (which
happens to be programming); I consider myself extremely lucky because of
that!

best,
Robby


On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 10:12 AM joseph turco 
wrote:

> I see. The stuff in HtDP, does it transfer over to any Racket syntax?
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 10:56 AM George Neuner 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 7/13/2021 10:13 AM, joseph turco wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Im am looking at learning a programming language, and have been
>> bouncing around with scheme/racket/dyalog APL/squeak. upon investigation of
>> scheme and racket, i found that in regards to racket, there really isn't a
>> "Beginners book" that teaches the language. The only beginner book i could
>> really see being close to teaching the language is HtDP, but that doesn't
>> *technically* teach racket, but BSL. For scheme, im able to find
>> beginner books, unless im not looking deep enough. Maybe if you fine folk
>> don't mind pointing me in the right direction? Please excuse my ignorance.
>>
>> -- Joseph T
>>
>>
>> Welcome.
>>
>> Racket[*] largely is based on Scheme, and so much of what you learn about
>> Scheme will transfer.  Racket supports R5RS and R6RS Scheme as legacy
>> languages, so you can learn about Scheme /using/ Racket and its tools.
>> Then when you are more comfortable, you can transition to using the Racket
>> module language instead.
>>
>> George
>> [*]  At least the untyped Racket language.  Racket really is a /suite/ of
>> languages: there also is a typed Racket, a lazy Racket, and various DSLs
>> (domain languages) which compile to and (mostly) freely intermix with
>> Racket.
>>
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Re: [racket-users] Question from a beginner. Why Racket Over Scheme?

2021-07-13 Thread joseph turco 
I see. The stuff in HtDP, does it transfer over to any Racket syntax?

On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 10:56 AM George Neuner  wrote:

>
> On 7/13/2021 10:13 AM, joseph turco wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Im am looking at learning a programming language, and have been
> bouncing around with scheme/racket/dyalog APL/squeak. upon investigation of
> scheme and racket, i found that in regards to racket, there really isn't a
> "Beginners book" that teaches the language. The only beginner book i could
> really see being close to teaching the language is HtDP, but that doesn't
> *technically* teach racket, but BSL. For scheme, im able to find beginner
> books, unless im not looking deep enough. Maybe if you fine folk don't mind
> pointing me in the right direction? Please excuse my ignorance.
>
> -- Joseph T
>
>
> Welcome.
>
> Racket[*] largely is based on Scheme, and so much of what you learn about
> Scheme will transfer.  Racket supports R5RS and R6RS Scheme as legacy
> languages, so you can learn about Scheme /using/ Racket and its tools.
> Then when you are more comfortable, you can transition to using the Racket
> module language instead.
>
> George
> [*]  At least the untyped Racket language.  Racket really is a /suite/ of
> languages: there also is a typed Racket, a lazy Racket, and various DSLs
> (domain languages) which compile to and (mostly) freely intermix with
> Racket.
>
>

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Re: [racket-users] Question from a beginner. Why Racket Over Scheme?

2021-07-13 Thread George Neuner 


On 7/13/2021 10:13 AM, joseph turco wrote:

Hello,

Im am looking at learning a programming language, and have been 
bouncing around with scheme/racket/dyalog APL/squeak. upon 
investigation of scheme and racket, i found that in regards to racket, 
there really isn't a "Beginners book" that teaches the language. The 
only beginner book i could really see being close to teaching the 
language is HtDP, but that doesn't /technically/ teach racket, but 
BSL. For scheme, im able to find beginner books, unless im not looking 
deep enough. Maybe if you fine folk don't mind pointing me in the 
right direction? Please excuse my ignorance.


-- Joseph T


Welcome.

Racket[*] largely is based on Scheme, and so much of what you learn 
about Scheme will transfer.  Racket supports R5RS and R6RS Scheme as 
legacy languages, so you can learn about Scheme /using/ Racket and its 
tools.  Then when you are more comfortable, you can transition to using 
the Racket module language instead.


George
[*]  At least the untyped Racket language.  Racket really is a /suite/ 
of languages: there also is a typed Racket, a lazy Racket, and various 
DSLs (domain languages) which compile to and (mostly) freely intermix 
with Racket.


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Re: [racket-users] Question from a beginner. Why Racket Over Scheme?

2021-07-13 Thread joseph turco 
Sure! I have dabbled into python (but not fully, only learned variables,
lists, dictionaries, for loops, if statements, while loops), but other than
that i dont have much experience. I do not have a CS degree or
(unfortunately) plan to get one. This is purely for a hobby.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 10:22 AM John Clements 
wrote:

> Good to hear from you! There are actually a number of different books that
> I might suggest. In order to best direct you, it might be useful to know
> something about your programming background?
>
> Best,
>
> John Clements
>
> > On Jul 13, 2021, at 10:13, joseph turco 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Im am looking at learning a programming language, and have been bouncing
> around with scheme/racket/dyalog APL/squeak. upon investigation of scheme
> and racket, i found that in regards to racket, there really isn't a
> "Beginners book" that teaches the language. The only beginner book i could
> really see being close to teaching the language is HtDP, but that doesn't
> technically teach racket, but BSL. For scheme, im able to find beginner
> books, unless im not looking deep enough. Maybe if you fine folk don't mind
> pointing me in the right direction? Please excuse my ignorance.
> >
> > -- Joseph T
> >
> >
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Re: [racket-users] Question from a beginner. Why Racket Over Scheme?

2021-07-13 Thread 'John Clements' via Racket Users 
Good to hear from you! There are actually a number of different books that I 
might suggest. In order to best direct you, it might be useful to know 
something about your programming background?

Best,

John Clements

> On Jul 13, 2021, at 10:13, joseph turco  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Im am looking at learning a programming language, and have been bouncing 
> around with scheme/racket/dyalog APL/squeak. upon investigation of scheme and 
> racket, i found that in regards to racket, there really isn't a "Beginners 
> book" that teaches the language. The only beginner book i could really see 
> being close to teaching the language is HtDP, but that doesn't technically 
> teach racket, but BSL. For scheme, im able to find beginner books, unless im 
> not looking deep enough. Maybe if you fine folk don't mind pointing me in the 
> right direction? Please excuse my ignorance.
> 
> -- Joseph T
> 
> 
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[racket-users] Question from a beginner. Why Racket Over Scheme?

2021-07-13 Thread joseph turco 
Hello,

Im am looking at learning a programming language, and have been
bouncing around with scheme/racket/dyalog APL/squeak. upon investigation of
scheme and racket, i found that in regards to racket, there really isn't a
"Beginners book" that teaches the language. The only beginner book i could
really see being close to teaching the language is HtDP, but that doesn't
*technically* teach racket, but BSL. For scheme, im able to find beginner
books, unless im not looking deep enough. Maybe if you fine folk don't mind
pointing me in the right direction? Please excuse my ignorance.

-- Joseph T

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