Re: [racket-users] Discourse - Mailing list mode

2021-12-10 Thread Laurent
Would it be possible to allow only sending to
racket+nos...@discoursemail.com and filtering out those sent to just
racket@...?
Maybe that could avoid *some* spam. Not sure how effective that would be
though.

On Fri, 10 Dec 2021, 14:58 Stephen De Gabrielle, 
wrote:

> Thanks to Sam you can now post to discourse via email with the address
> rac...@discoursemail.com
> You do need to use the address you signed up with.
>
> if you use addresses like myaddress+te...@gmail.com ... I'm not sure - I
> don't have a quick way to test sending with this sort of address.
>
> Stephen
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 11:36 PM John Clements 
> wrote:
>
>> I just tried it, from a new account that wasn’t associated with an
>> account, and it looks like it went through … which is actually kind of
>> frightening. Can’t a random spammer just send email to this address? I
>> considered doing it as a stunt, but decided it would be nicer to ask about
>> it first.
>>
>> John
>>
>> > On Dec 9, 2021, at 10:52, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > It appears that enabling this is quite simple. I believe I have set it
>> > up so that emailing racket+uncategorize...@discoursemail.com should
>> > create a new topic in the Uncategorized category. Feel free to test it
>> > out.
>> >
>> > Sam
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 8:27 AM Stephen De Gabrielle
>> >  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> it’s becoming apparent to me that setting up posting via email is
>> frankly difficult; I think that monitoring the list using mailing-list mode
>> is plausible, but posting, at this point, is not.
>> >>
>> >> I had a chat with a Discourse consultant and they thought posting by
>> email was possible if you self host, but self hosting with mailing list
>> would require both a hosting provider, and a send mail provider (he uses
>> digital ocean with sendgrid or mailgun). Receiving email is handled by the
>> 'mail receiver container' if you are self hosting.
>> >>
>> >> It was a casual conversation, and I don't know him well.  It would be
>> good to know if other PL communities have done this
>> >>
>> >> stephen
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 6:47 PM 'John Clements' via Racket Users <
>> racket-users@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Your points are well taken, and moving away from a traditional
>> mailing list is not a decision that we took lightly; the fact is that we
>> were simply *failing* when it came to moderating the mailing list as run by
>> google groups, and running one through mailman was even worse. It appears
>> that discourse will allow us to spread the load of moderating the group
>> across the members of the group, rather than depending on one or two points
>> of failure.
>> >>>
>> >>> BTW, lest you think that I think that discourse solves all our
>> problems: it’s becoming apparent to me that setting up posting via email is
>> frankly difficult; I think that monitoring the list using mailing-list mode
>> is plausible, but posting, at this point, is not. I guess I shouldn’t be
>> shocked: that’s the whole problem with email, it’s not authenticated in any
>> reasonable or widely used way.
>> >>>
>> >>> Regardless, I’m happy with the move: we have about 181 people
>> registered, and the volume there looks robust and sustainable.
>> >>>
>> >>> John
>> >>>
>>  On Dec 8, 2021, at 13:16, George Neuner 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>  On 12/8/2021 12:34 PM, James Platt wrote:
>> > On Dec 8, 2021, at 10:45 AM, George Neuner wrote:
>> >
>> >> It's a big deal if you are (or were) following multiple groups.
>> >
>> > I don't understand.  Why is this an issue?  I find it very
>> convenient to filter each group into it's own folder in email.  If this
>> were a non-technical group, you wouldn't expect everyone to know how to do
>> that but anyone who is a programmer ought to have no problem configuring
>> filters and folders.
>> 
>>  If you had continued reading, you would have seen my comment that
>> NOT ALL news groups support list distribution or posting via email. NNTP is
>> not email.  Usenet group moderators[*] can choose how to make their groups
>> available: the default is via list distribution and NNTP both, but the
>> moderator can deliberately disable one or the other - or only enable
>> digests via email, or disable posting.
>> 
>>  My complaint is having to read some things via NNTP and others
>> through email because, while there are programs that do both, I haven't
>> found any single program that does BOTH WELL.  And that is without even
>> considering the growing number of ... don't want to confuse by saying
>> "groups", let's call them "crowds" ... that have abandoned Usenet entirely
>> in favor of web forums.
>> 
>>  George
>> 
>>  [*] even unmoderated groups have a moderator/administrator - by
>> default it is whoever started the group.
>> 
>> 
>>  --
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Re: [racket-users] Discourse - Mailing list mode

2021-12-10 Thread Stephen De Gabrielle
Thanks to Sam you can now post to discourse via email with the address
rac...@discoursemail.com
You do need to use the address you signed up with.

if you use addresses like myaddress+te...@gmail.com ... I'm not sure - I
don't have a quick way to test sending with this sort of address.

Stephen


On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 11:36 PM John Clements 
wrote:

> I just tried it, from a new account that wasn’t associated with an
> account, and it looks like it went through … which is actually kind of
> frightening. Can’t a random spammer just send email to this address? I
> considered doing it as a stunt, but decided it would be nicer to ask about
> it first.
>
> John
>
> > On Dec 9, 2021, at 10:52, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt  wrote:
> >
> > It appears that enabling this is quite simple. I believe I have set it
> > up so that emailing racket+uncategorize...@discoursemail.com should
> > create a new topic in the Uncategorized category. Feel free to test it
> > out.
> >
> > Sam
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 8:27 AM Stephen De Gabrielle
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >>> it’s becoming apparent to me that setting up posting via email is
> frankly difficult; I think that monitoring the list using mailing-list mode
> is plausible, but posting, at this point, is not.
> >>
> >> I had a chat with a Discourse consultant and they thought posting by
> email was possible if you self host, but self hosting with mailing list
> would require both a hosting provider, and a send mail provider (he uses
> digital ocean with sendgrid or mailgun). Receiving email is handled by the
> 'mail receiver container' if you are self hosting.
> >>
> >> It was a casual conversation, and I don't know him well.  It would be
> good to know if other PL communities have done this
> >>
> >> stephen
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 6:47 PM 'John Clements' via Racket Users <
> racket-users@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Your points are well taken, and moving away from a traditional mailing
> list is not a decision that we took lightly; the fact is that we were
> simply *failing* when it came to moderating the mailing list as run by
> google groups, and running one through mailman was even worse. It appears
> that discourse will allow us to spread the load of moderating the group
> across the members of the group, rather than depending on one or two points
> of failure.
> >>>
> >>> BTW, lest you think that I think that discourse solves all our
> problems: it’s becoming apparent to me that setting up posting via email is
> frankly difficult; I think that monitoring the list using mailing-list mode
> is plausible, but posting, at this point, is not. I guess I shouldn’t be
> shocked: that’s the whole problem with email, it’s not authenticated in any
> reasonable or widely used way.
> >>>
> >>> Regardless, I’m happy with the move: we have about 181 people
> registered, and the volume there looks robust and sustainable.
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>>
>  On Dec 8, 2021, at 13:16, George Neuner  wrote:
> 
> 
>  On 12/8/2021 12:34 PM, James Platt wrote:
> > On Dec 8, 2021, at 10:45 AM, George Neuner wrote:
> >
> >> It's a big deal if you are (or were) following multiple groups.
> >
> > I don't understand.  Why is this an issue?  I find it very
> convenient to filter each group into it's own folder in email.  If this
> were a non-technical group, you wouldn't expect everyone to know how to do
> that but anyone who is a programmer ought to have no problem configuring
> filters and folders.
> 
>  If you had continued reading, you would have seen my comment that NOT
> ALL news groups support list distribution or posting via email. NNTP is not
> email.  Usenet group moderators[*] can choose how to make their groups
> available: the default is via list distribution and NNTP both, but the
> moderator can deliberately disable one or the other - or only enable
> digests via email, or disable posting.
> 
>  My complaint is having to read some things via NNTP and others
> through email because, while there are programs that do both, I haven't
> found any single program that does BOTH WELL.  And that is without even
> considering the growing number of ... don't want to confuse by saying
> "groups", let's call them "crowds" ... that have abandoned Usenet entirely
> in favor of web forums.
> 
>  George
> 
>  [*] even unmoderated groups have a moderator/administrator - by
> default it is whoever started the group.
> 
> 
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Re: [racket-users] Discourse - Mailing list mode

2021-12-09 Thread 'John Clements' via Racket Users
I just tried it, from a new account that wasn’t associated with an account, and 
it looks like it went through … which is actually kind of frightening. Can’t a 
random spammer just send email to this address? I considered doing it as a 
stunt, but decided it would be nicer to ask about it first.

John

> On Dec 9, 2021, at 10:52, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt  wrote:
> 
> It appears that enabling this is quite simple. I believe I have set it
> up so that emailing racket+uncategorize...@discoursemail.com should
> create a new topic in the Uncategorized category. Feel free to test it
> out.
> 
> Sam
> 
> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 8:27 AM Stephen De Gabrielle
>  wrote:
>> 
>>> it’s becoming apparent to me that setting up posting via email is frankly 
>>> difficult; I think that monitoring the list using mailing-list mode is 
>>> plausible, but posting, at this point, is not.
>> 
>> I had a chat with a Discourse consultant and they thought posting by email 
>> was possible if you self host, but self hosting with mailing list would 
>> require both a hosting provider, and a send mail provider (he uses digital 
>> ocean with sendgrid or mailgun). Receiving email is handled by the 'mail 
>> receiver container' if you are self hosting.
>> 
>> It was a casual conversation, and I don't know him well.  It would be good 
>> to know if other PL communities have done this
>> 
>> stephen
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 6:47 PM 'John Clements' via Racket Users 
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Your points are well taken, and moving away from a traditional mailing list 
>>> is not a decision that we took lightly; the fact is that we were simply 
>>> *failing* when it came to moderating the mailing list as run by google 
>>> groups, and running one through mailman was even worse. It appears that 
>>> discourse will allow us to spread the load of moderating the group across 
>>> the members of the group, rather than depending on one or two points of 
>>> failure.
>>> 
>>> BTW, lest you think that I think that discourse solves all our problems: 
>>> it’s becoming apparent to me that setting up posting via email is frankly 
>>> difficult; I think that monitoring the list using mailing-list mode is 
>>> plausible, but posting, at this point, is not. I guess I shouldn’t be 
>>> shocked: that’s the whole problem with email, it’s not authenticated in any 
>>> reasonable or widely used way.
>>> 
>>> Regardless, I’m happy with the move: we have about 181 people registered, 
>>> and the volume there looks robust and sustainable.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
 On Dec 8, 2021, at 13:16, George Neuner  wrote:
 
 
 On 12/8/2021 12:34 PM, James Platt wrote:
> On Dec 8, 2021, at 10:45 AM, George Neuner wrote:
> 
>> It's a big deal if you are (or were) following multiple groups.
> 
> I don't understand.  Why is this an issue?  I find it very convenient to 
> filter each group into it's own folder in email.  If this were a 
> non-technical group, you wouldn't expect everyone to know how to do that 
> but anyone who is a programmer ought to have no problem configuring 
> filters and folders.
 
 If you had continued reading, you would have seen my comment that NOT ALL 
 news groups support list distribution or posting via email. NNTP is not 
 email.  Usenet group moderators[*] can choose how to make their groups 
 available: the default is via list distribution and NNTP both, but the 
 moderator can deliberately disable one or the other - or only enable 
 digests via email, or disable posting.
 
 My complaint is having to read some things via NNTP and others through 
 email because, while there are programs that do both, I haven't found any 
 single program that does BOTH WELL.  And that is without even considering 
 the growing number of ... don't want to confuse by saying "groups", let's 
 call them "crowds" ... that have abandoned Usenet entirely in favor of web 
 forums.
 
 George
 
 [*] even unmoderated groups have a moderator/administrator - by default it 
 is whoever started the group.
 
 
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Re: [racket-users] Discourse - Mailing list mode

2021-12-09 Thread Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
It appears that enabling this is quite simple. I believe I have set it
up so that emailing racket+uncategorize...@discoursemail.com should
create a new topic in the Uncategorized category. Feel free to test it
out.

Sam

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 8:27 AM Stephen De Gabrielle
 wrote:
>
> > it’s becoming apparent to me that setting up posting via email is frankly 
> > difficult; I think that monitoring the list using mailing-list mode is 
> > plausible, but posting, at this point, is not.
>
> I had a chat with a Discourse consultant and they thought posting by email 
> was possible if you self host, but self hosting with mailing list would 
> require both a hosting provider, and a send mail provider (he uses digital 
> ocean with sendgrid or mailgun). Receiving email is handled by the 'mail 
> receiver container' if you are self hosting.
>
> It was a casual conversation, and I don't know him well.  It would be good to 
> know if other PL communities have done this
>
> stephen
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 6:47 PM 'John Clements' via Racket Users 
>  wrote:
>>
>> Your points are well taken, and moving away from a traditional mailing list 
>> is not a decision that we took lightly; the fact is that we were simply 
>> *failing* when it came to moderating the mailing list as run by google 
>> groups, and running one through mailman was even worse. It appears that 
>> discourse will allow us to spread the load of moderating the group across 
>> the members of the group, rather than depending on one or two points of 
>> failure.
>>
>> BTW, lest you think that I think that discourse solves all our problems: 
>> it’s becoming apparent to me that setting up posting via email is frankly 
>> difficult; I think that monitoring the list using mailing-list mode is 
>> plausible, but posting, at this point, is not. I guess I shouldn’t be 
>> shocked: that’s the whole problem with email, it’s not authenticated in any 
>> reasonable or widely used way.
>>
>> Regardless, I’m happy with the move: we have about 181 people registered, 
>> and the volume there looks robust and sustainable.
>>
>> John
>>
>> > On Dec 8, 2021, at 13:16, George Neuner  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On 12/8/2021 12:34 PM, James Platt wrote:
>> >> On Dec 8, 2021, at 10:45 AM, George Neuner wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > It's a big deal if you are (or were) following multiple groups.
>> >>
>> >> I don't understand.  Why is this an issue?  I find it very convenient to 
>> >> filter each group into it's own folder in email.  If this were a 
>> >> non-technical group, you wouldn't expect everyone to know how to do that 
>> >> but anyone who is a programmer ought to have no problem configuring 
>> >> filters and folders.
>> >
>> > If you had continued reading, you would have seen my comment that NOT ALL 
>> > news groups support list distribution or posting via email. NNTP is not 
>> > email.  Usenet group moderators[*] can choose how to make their groups 
>> > available: the default is via list distribution and NNTP both, but the 
>> > moderator can deliberately disable one or the other - or only enable 
>> > digests via email, or disable posting.
>> >
>> > My complaint is having to read some things via NNTP and others through 
>> > email because, while there are programs that do both, I haven't found any 
>> > single program that does BOTH WELL.  And that is without even considering 
>> > the growing number of ... don't want to confuse by saying "groups", let's 
>> > call them "crowds" ... that have abandoned Usenet entirely in favor of web 
>> > forums.
>> >
>> > George
>> >
>> > [*] even unmoderated groups have a moderator/administrator - by default it 
>> > is whoever started the group.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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Re: [racket-users] Discourse - Mailing list mode

2021-12-09 Thread Stephen De Gabrielle
> it’s becoming apparent to me that setting up posting via email is frankly
difficult; I think that monitoring the list using mailing-list mode is
plausible, but posting, at this point, is not.

I had a chat with a Discourse consultant and they thought posting by email
was possible if you self host, but self hosting with mailing list would
require both a hosting provider, and a send mail provider (he uses digital
ocean with sendgrid or mailgun). Receiving email is handled by the 'mail
receiver container' if you are self hosting.

It was a casual conversation, and I don't know him well.  It would be good
to know if other PL communities have done this

stephen



On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 6:47 PM 'John Clements' via Racket Users <
racket-users@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Your points are well taken, and moving away from a traditional mailing
> list is not a decision that we took lightly; the fact is that we were
> simply *failing* when it came to moderating the mailing list as run by
> google groups, and running one through mailman was even worse. It appears
> that discourse will allow us to spread the load of moderating the group
> across the members of the group, rather than depending on one or two points
> of failure.
>
> BTW, lest you think that I think that discourse solves all our problems:
> it’s becoming apparent to me that setting up posting via email is frankly
> difficult; I think that monitoring the list using mailing-list mode is
> plausible, but posting, at this point, is not. I guess I shouldn’t be
> shocked: that’s the whole problem with email, it’s not authenticated in any
> reasonable or widely used way.
>
> Regardless, I’m happy with the move: we have about 181 people registered,
> and the volume there looks robust and sustainable.
>
> John
>
> > On Dec 8, 2021, at 13:16, George Neuner  wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 12/8/2021 12:34 PM, James Platt wrote:
> >> On Dec 8, 2021, at 10:45 AM, George Neuner wrote:
> >>
> >> > It's a big deal if you are (or were) following multiple groups.
> >>
> >> I don't understand.  Why is this an issue?  I find it very convenient
> to filter each group into it's own folder in email.  If this were a
> non-technical group, you wouldn't expect everyone to know how to do that
> but anyone who is a programmer ought to have no problem configuring filters
> and folders.
> >
> > If you had continued reading, you would have seen my comment that NOT
> ALL news groups support list distribution or posting via email. NNTP is not
> email.  Usenet group moderators[*] can choose how to make their groups
> available: the default is via list distribution and NNTP both, but the
> moderator can deliberately disable one or the other - or only enable
> digests via email, or disable posting.
> >
> > My complaint is having to read some things via NNTP and others through
> email because, while there are programs that do both, I haven't found any
> single program that does BOTH WELL.  And that is without even considering
> the growing number of ... don't want to confuse by saying "groups", let's
> call them "crowds" ... that have abandoned Usenet entirely in favor of web
> forums.
> >
> > George
> >
> > [*] even unmoderated groups have a moderator/administrator - by default
> it is whoever started the group.
> >
> >
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Re: [racket-users] Discourse - Mailing list mode

2021-12-08 Thread 'John Clements' via Racket Users
Your points are well taken, and moving away from a traditional mailing list is 
not a decision that we took lightly; the fact is that we were simply *failing* 
when it came to moderating the mailing list as run by google groups, and 
running one through mailman was even worse. It appears that discourse will 
allow us to spread the load of moderating the group across the members of the 
group, rather than depending on one or two points of failure.

BTW, lest you think that I think that discourse solves all our problems: it’s 
becoming apparent to me that setting up posting via email is frankly difficult; 
I think that monitoring the list using mailing-list mode is plausible, but 
posting, at this point, is not. I guess I shouldn’t be shocked: that’s the 
whole problem with email, it’s not authenticated in any reasonable or widely 
used way.

Regardless, I’m happy with the move: we have about 181 people registered, and 
the volume there looks robust and sustainable.

John

> On Dec 8, 2021, at 13:16, George Neuner  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 12/8/2021 12:34 PM, James Platt wrote:
>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 10:45 AM, George Neuner wrote:
>> 
>> > It's a big deal if you are (or were) following multiple groups.
>> 
>> I don't understand.  Why is this an issue?  I find it very convenient to 
>> filter each group into it's own folder in email.  If this were a 
>> non-technical group, you wouldn't expect everyone to know how to do that but 
>> anyone who is a programmer ought to have no problem configuring filters and 
>> folders.
> 
> If you had continued reading, you would have seen my comment that NOT ALL 
> news groups support list distribution or posting via email. NNTP is not 
> email.  Usenet group moderators[*] can choose how to make their groups 
> available: the default is via list distribution and NNTP both, but the 
> moderator can deliberately disable one or the other - or only enable digests 
> via email, or disable posting.
> 
> My complaint is having to read some things via NNTP and others through email 
> because, while there are programs that do both, I haven't found any single 
> program that does BOTH WELL.  And that is without even considering the 
> growing number of ... don't want to confuse by saying "groups", let's call 
> them "crowds" ... that have abandoned Usenet entirely in favor of web forums.
> 
> George
> 
> [*] even unmoderated groups have a moderator/administrator - by default it is 
> whoever started the group.
> 
> 
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