Re: [racket-users] Re: Discourse - Mailing list mode

2021-12-08 Thread James Platt


> If you had continued reading, you would have seen my comment that NOT ALL 
> news groups support list distribution or posting via email. NNTP is not 
> email.  Usenet group moderators[*] can choose how to make their groups 
> available: the default is via list distribution and NNTP both, but the 
> moderator can deliberately disable one or the other - or only enable digests 
> via email, or disable posting.

I did read that part.  I just didn't understand what you mean.  I still don't.  
NNTP is not involved here, with the Racket community, as far as I know.  The 
one thing that is clear is that NNTP is one of the many different technologies 
which these forums can get fragmented across.  That is a problem.  NNTP was 
originally designed to manage bandwidth way back when transfer of plain text 
was an issue.  Today, text is trivial next to Bit Torrent, Netflix and other 
things which use up orders of magnitude more bandwidth.  I haven't used NNTP in 
more than a decade now so I don't know if there have been improvements but, 
from what I remember, there is no reason to use it today.  I can't think of any 
advantage it has over any other technology at all.  If it does, let me know.  
Sometimes it's good to take another look at an old technology which you thought 
was basically dead.  It's been, what? about 20 years, since an NNTP server was 
considered one of the basic services which you get from your ISP.  

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Re: [racket-users] Re: Discourse - Mailing list mode

2021-12-08 Thread George Neuner



On 12/8/2021 12:34 PM, James Platt wrote:

On Dec 8, 2021, at 10:45 AM, George Neuner wrote:

> It's a big deal if you are (or were) following multiple groups.

I don't understand.  Why is this an issue?  I find it very convenient to filter 
each group into it's own folder in email.  If this were a non-technical group, 
you wouldn't expect everyone to know how to do that but anyone who is a 
programmer ought to have no problem configuring filters and folders.


If you had continued reading, you would have seen my comment that NOT 
ALL news groups support list distribution or posting via email. NNTP is 
not email.  Usenet group moderators[*] can choose how to make their 
groups available: the default is via list distribution and NNTP both, 
but the moderator can deliberately disable one or the other - or only 
enable digests via email, or disable posting.


My complaint is having to read some things via NNTP and others through 
email because, while there are programs that do both, I haven't found 
any single program that does BOTH WELL.  And that is without even 
considering the growing number of ... don't want to confuse by saying 
"groups", let's call them "crowds" ... that have abandoned Usenet 
entirely in favor of web forums.


George

[*] even unmoderated groups have a moderator/administrator - by default 
it is whoever started the group.



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Re: [racket-users] Re: Discourse - Mailing list mode

2021-12-08 Thread James Platt


On Dec 8, 2021, at 10:45 AM, George Neuner wrote:

> It's a big deal if you are (or were) following multiple groups.

I don't understand.  Why is this an issue?  I find it very convenient to filter 
each group into it's own folder in email.  If this were a non-technical group, 
you wouldn't expect everyone to know how to do that but anyone who is a 
programmer ought to have no problem configuring filters and folders.

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