Re: [Radiant] OT: Background colour
john wrote: The Z-Man has it backwards. If the user goes out of their way to set a custom background color the site should respect that, the same as with user selected fonts and css and whether images are shown and whether javascript is enabled and whether Flash and Java are available, etc. etc. and so on. As I understand it, the argument is that if you set the color attribute, you should set the background, too. Otherwise, user might pick the background to be the same as your color, thus making the content unreadable. So, its not only about the appearence. Sure, its a minor thing, but I belive there is some merit to it, however small it might seem. On the other hand, if Radiant never adopts this way of thinking, thats fine, too. It is only a minor thing, after all. ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] OT: Background colour
My assertion was that anyone who has gone to the effort of changing the browsers background color is well prepared to deal with the mess they make if they choose black for instance, i.e. those same people are also likely to have user level css applied in addition to deal with when this happens. I think this just happens to be one of his pet issues. http://www.zeldman.com/2007/06/18/bgcolor-follies/ http://www.zeldman.com/2008/11/07/is-your-websites-underwear-showing/ On 2008/11/08, at 11:24, Saša Babić wrote: john wrote: The Z-Man has it backwards. If the user goes out of their way to set a custom background color the site should respect that, the same as with user selected fonts and css and whether images are shown and whether javascript is enabled and whether Flash and Java are available, etc. etc. and so on. As I understand it, the argument is that if you set the color attribute, you should set the background, too. Otherwise, user might pick the background to be the same as your color, thus making the content unreadable. So, its not only about the appearence. Sure, its a minor thing, but I belive there is some merit to it, however small it might seem. On the other hand, if Radiant never adopts this way of thinking, thats fine, too. It is only a minor thing, after all. ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
Re: [Radiant] OT: Background colour
On 2008/11/08, at 12:48, Sean Cribbs wrote: I shouldn't need to say this, but Patches Are Welcome (tm). http://github.com/johnmuhl/radiant/tree/valid_css I guess valider-css might have been a more appropriate name. There are still the 3 errors regarding browser specific css but those aren't real errors just the validator complaining. On 8-Nov-08, at 11:35 AM, Mohit Sindhwani wrote: Actually, I am tempted to agree with Saša on this one - if *you* set a foreground color, *you* should set a background color. A default background should not apply if you override the foreground. Of course you should and as pointed out, by Adam, below if you use a validator you'll be immediately notified of your oversight. On 2008/11/08, at 12:42, Adam van den Hoven wrote: Its a common validation check (if an annoying one) for CSS validators to report a warning if you set a foreground color without setting a background color. In general, its best to set both at some point. It eliminates ambiguity. So the real complaint is that authors don't use (or respect) validators, and that's a valid one. A user who specifies there own style sheet (are they any?) I use global and site specific stylesheets fairly regularly and if I set html, body { background-color: black !important; color: black ! important } there is nothing an author can do about. If you just set your Firefox background color using about:config and don't specifically set the text color you're probably not doing it to demonstrate any real life user configuration. ___ Radiant mailing list Post: Radiant@radiantcms.org Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant