[RC] Re: BLISS Muniversity Re: [ RC ] Re: Values Academies COMMENTS

[Centroids]

One more point...

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> On Feb 12, 2018, at 21:19, Billy Rojas <1billyro...@buglephilosophy.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> This goes farther than matters of sex.  What about greed, gluttony, such 
> practices as sadism, rejection of modern medicine, and so on?
> 
> What happens if one community refuses to vaccinate their kids? What if 
> another wants to make itself all lily white or all ebony black?
> 
I think you are just describing how actual cities really do function. If we 
really want to train leaders who can cope with these issues, then we have to 
embrace that dysfunction in a context that allows us to demonstrate how to 
overcome.

That much I agree with Mill: Truth needs to regularly confront and overcome 
error or it becomes worthless. 

E

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[RC] Re: BLISS Muniversity Re: [ RC ] Re: Values Academies COMMENTS

[Centroids]

Hi Billy,

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> On Feb 12, 2018, at 21:19, Billy Rojas <1billyro...@buglephilosophy.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I'm skeptical about:
> "households up to ~100 residents that publish and enforce their own 
> particular values, especially around Money, Sex, and Power."
> 
> To me this says that values are relative and right and wrong can be voted on 
> because there is no objective right and wrong.  That view is something  that 
> I can't accept.
> 
Obviously neither do I. The question is, how do we get people to see that?

You are the one always telling me we can’t talk about morality in Biblical 
terms and expect people to pay attention. We need to use science. 

So in my fictional universe, each community publishers exactly what moral 
standards they use, but they must submit to science in tracking the outcomes.

I for one will be greatly amused to see even the short-term results of a 
fraternity organized around a libertarian lines...

That was the fun part of doing this as a fictional story. My heroes are only 
vaguely religious, So they have no particular moral ax to grind. Instead, they 
can run a “fair experiment“ which I believe will give biblical values a chance 
to shine.

E

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RE: [RC] Re: Values Academies

[Chris Hahn]

Ernie,

I am sorry that the website so misled you about Hope (and Hope is only one of 
many similar schools).  Schools like this promote values and diversity.  
Christian values, yes, but not in a fundamentalist context.

Chris

 

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Subject: [RC] Re: Values Academies

 

Hi Billy,


On Feb 11, 2018, at 11:45, Billy Rojas <1billyro...@buglephilosophy.com 
 > wrote:

Where is the college that promises you the skills you need to live a happy 
life? 

Does anybody even offer courses on sexual integrity, budgeting, abuse of power, 
or any of the other issues that regularly destroy lives, families, and careers?

 

Why couldn't a new college / university seek to do exactly that?

Why indeed?

 

That is actually my point. Nobody actually seems to want to be accountable for 
cultivating true virtue. Hope only promises jobs. Christians focus on 
indoctrinating fundamentalism and excluding a fixed set of sins.  Buddhism 
can’t prevent its own sex scandals.  

 

If you want a partial counter-example, the best I can think of is the military 
academies. They are at least self-conscious about training people in 
discipline, leadership and teamwork — and getting better at it over time. 

 

What would a school like look that was as single-mindedly focused on 

Training Culture Warriors? What would it have to subtract, not just add?

 

You’d need more than relevant classes and high production values. Or even a 
rigid ideology. 

 

I have a theory, but first I want to see if we agree that’s the question worth 
asking. 

 

 

E

And I'd add still other essentials that are regularly overlooked

in the curricula. For example "Psychology of Personal Relationships,"

"The Objective Study of Religion," and "Human Growth  -what to

expect at age 35, 50, and 70."  Also: "Looking Ahead:  The Job Market

in 2025, 2040, and 2055."

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[RC] Re: BLISS Muniversity Re: [ RC ] Re: Values Academies COMMENTS

[Billy Rojas]

other new city in 20 or 25 years

and the core faculty, etc of the school would then relocate to Colorado

or Michigan or Louisiana or, , Montana.



Billy


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Subject: BLISS Muniversity Re: [ RC ] Re: Values Academies

OK, what is your theory?

Are you familiar with Cornel’s hotel school?

https://sha.cornell.edu/

The reason they are so great is because the students are actually running a 
real live hotel. The same way we train doctors and scientists, but hardly 
anyone else.

What if we trained citizens and political leaders the same way, by curating a 
real world experience?

BLISS Stands for Barkworth’s Live-action Incarnational Ssocietal Ssimulator. 
Barksworth is a character I literally dreamed up, where I’ve been imagining how 
he and his ex-supermodel wife go about accidentally reinventing society 
(nothing written down yet, alas).

The Municipal University reimagines college as a city.   There are no 
departments or businesses. Everything is a “service”, with a triple mission of 
serving customers, training students, and improving the state of the art. The 
city itself is run by the government service, which periodically experiments 
with different models of governance.

Values are taught by Dunbars, Households or collections of households up to 
~100 residents that publish and enforce their own particular values, especially 
around Money, Sex, and Power. The Muniversity does not prescribe these, but 
does enforce the core values of:
- respect
- science
- service

Thus, Dunbar’s (or larger Clans that share the same explicit values)
are tracked by the success of their alumni to develop an empirical dataset 
About the impact of different values and practices.

Rather than a rigid distinction between staff, faculty, and students, each 
person can participate in different roles depending on the context. Some start 
out sponsored, like traditional students, but can quickly earn BlissBucks as 
their skills mature (whose exchange rate with US Dollars is managed by the 
Finance Service).

The joke is that the only jobs you cannot train for at BLISS are “Prostitute” 
and “college professor.” Everyone must become expert at something that has 
intrinsic value to society.

There is no formal graduation; You can grow up, get married, and buy a house 
with an off-campus Dunbar while still being a citizen of the muniversity. 
Though most eventually get Commisioned to live out BLISS values elsewhere.

Anyway, this was more intended as a plot device and social commentary that a 
practical proposal. But it was a fun thought experiment. And an interesting 
hypothesis about how to answer your question.

Thoughts?

E

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On Feb 12, 2018, at 12:31, Billy Rojas 
<1billyro...@buglephilosophy.com<mailto:1billyro...@buglephilosophy.com>> wrote:


I will make a wild guess and say that you agree with the sentiment.


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[RC] BLISS Muniversity Re: [ RC ] Re: Values Academies

[Centroids]

> OK, what is your theory?


Are you familiar with Cornel’s hotel school?

https://sha.cornell.edu/

The reason they are so great is because the students are actually running a 
real live hotel. The same way we train doctors and scientists, but hardly 
anyone else. 

What if we trained citizens and political leaders the same way, by curating a 
real world experience?

BLISS Stands for Barkworth’s Live-action Incarnational Ssocietal Ssimulator. 
Barksworth is a character I literally dreamed up, where I’ve been imagining how 
he and his ex-supermodel wife go about accidentally reinventing society 
(nothing written down yet, alas). 

The Municipal University reimagines college as a city.   There are no 
departments or businesses. Everything is a “service”, with a triple mission of 
serving customers, training students, and improving the state of the art. The 
city itself is run by the government service, which periodically experiments 
with different models of governance.

Values are taught by Dunbars, Households or collections of households up to 
~100 residents that publish and enforce their own particular values, especially 
around Money, Sex, and Power. The Muniversity does not prescribe these, but 
does enforce the core values of:
- respect
- science
- service

Thus, Dunbar’s (or larger Clans that share the same explicit values)
are tracked by the success of their alumni to develop an empirical dataset 
About the impact of different values and practices.

Rather than a rigid distinction between staff, faculty, and students, each 
person can participate in different roles depending on the context. Some start 
out sponsored, like traditional students, but can quickly earn BlissBucks as 
their skills mature (whose exchange rate with US Dollars is managed by the 
Finance Service).

The joke is that the only jobs you cannot train for at BLISS are “Prostitute” 
and “college professor.” Everyone must become expert at something that has 
intrinsic value to society. 

There is no formal graduation; You can grow up, get married, and buy a house 
with an off-campus Dunbar while still being a citizen of the muniversity. 
Though most eventually get Commisioned to live out BLISS values elsewhere. 

Anyway, this was more intended as a plot device and social commentary that a 
practical proposal. But it was a fun thought experiment. And an interesting 
hypothesis about how to answer your question.

Thoughts?

E

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> On Feb 12, 2018, at 12:31, Billy Rojas <1billyro...@buglephilosophy.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I will make a wild guess and say that you agree with the sentiment.
> 
> 
> 
> 

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