Re: [RC] Wikipedia's unacknowledged problems

2013-06-14 Thread David R. Block
Title: ORourke54.htm

  
  
It is
well known outside of their cloistered environment. 

Why do they keep having to lock down the George W. Bush
article??

David

  
  









  "There is no virtue in compulsory government
  charity, and
  there is no virtue in advocating it. A politician who
  portrays himself as
  "caring" and "sensitive" because he wants to expand the
  government's charitable programs is merely saying that
  he's willing to try to
  do good with other people's money. Well, who isn't? And a
  voter who takes pride
  in supporting such programs is telling us that he'll do
  good with his own money
  -- if a gun is held to his head."--P.
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  O'Rourke

  
  On 6/14/2013 8:37 PM, [email protected] wrote:


  
  
  
Wikipedia's unacknowledged problems
 
 

  Wikipedia has decided not to
publish my revision of their extant article
  about Pacifica Forum.
  This has several consequences :
   
  ( 1 ) The decision of the
  editors lets stand an existing article that is
  defamatory to several
  people associated  with Pacifica. Inasmuch as
  I am one of those people
  this does not make me very happy.
   
  ( 2 )  It would have been an advantage for many people to
have had
  a greatly revised account of the Forum to refer to if,
for no other reason.,
  far greater accuracy / objectivity about the group. This
will not be happening
  any time soon, so it seems, and false impressions of PF
will persist.
   
  ( 3 )  E-mail
  "conversations" with two of the editors have convinced me
  that
  the Wikipedia conception
  of objectivity is far less than optimal. For some
  types of articles their
  conception may be adequate;   in this
  category 
  should go stories about
  the sciences ( some sciences, anyway ), stories
  about cities or states or
  countries, etc, strictly factual stuff, and
  anything else that relies
  just about entirely on hard data. But beyond
  that, "buyer beware."  
   
  Wikipedia is Left-wing in
  its outlook and its
  editors regard "objective" 
  to mean "in sync with the
  views and values
  of the Democratic Party" or, 
  perhaps, with the views
  of non-affiliated
  Leftists,  but Leftists nonetheless. 
   
  About this, I should have
  guessed.  Wikipedia is San Francisco based.
  Duh, few cities in
  America are as politically Left-wing, and local media
  is completely in the tank
  for Political Correctness, the Leftist version of
  multi-culturalism,
  opponents of conservatism, irreligion  --except faiths
  "approved" by Hollywood, 
  the viewpoint of the New York Times,
  and etc.
   
  What MUST be kept in mind
  is the fact that all of this is conceived by
  Wikipedia's editors as
  unbiased, truthful, objective, and so forth.
  They simply are unable 
  --because of their mindset--  to conceive
  that their worldview and
  ideas are anything but unbiased. Hence they
  use the vocabulary of
  even-handedness,  objectivity, truthfulness, etc,
  all the while actually
  meaning this :  Wikipedia reflects the
  views of
  some approximation of the
  scholarly community which is Left of Center
  or, in cases, hard Left.
   
  If something is not
  Leftist in outlook, maybe better, which can be interpreted
  as Leftist in outlook by
  the editors, then it is, by definition, Right-wing,
  neo-conservative, or even
  extremist and highly biased.
   
  Also keep in mind a value
  of the academic Left, a value that I share and
  which I think is
  generally all for the good:  Encyclopedic
  knowledge is
  essential, valuable,
  useful, etc, and the more of it the better. I'm not sure
  how far to go in
  generalizing this principle but do have the sense that
  it is not nearly as much
  a factor

Re: [RC] Wikipedia's unacknowledged problems

2013-06-14 Thread Dr. Ernie Prabhakar
Hi Billy,

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 14, 2013, at 18:37, [email protected] wrote:

> What MUST be kept in mind is the fact that all of this is conceived by
> Wikipedia's editors as unbiased, truthful, objective, and so forth.

As you yourself actually are? :-)

Yes, Wikipedia has problems. But most of those are cultural. If you has taken 
the time to learn and work with them, rather than against them, you could have 
had a very different outcome. 

Yes, it is a "fail" that Wikipedia is often impenetrable to outsiders. But the 
real reason is that they are "conservative" in the broad sense -- they resist 
radical change. And that conservatism is largely why they have scaled insanely 
well on a shoestring budget.

I told you several times how you could have done things differently and gotten 
most of what you wanted. The fact that you ended up frustrated is as much your 
fail as theirs. :-(

E

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