RE: Hope? I Re: Values education Re: [RC] [ RC ] Aptitude vs. Achievement / The Problem of Two Cultures

2018-02-13 Thread Chris Hahn 
I agree with your comments about Hope’s messaging.  I was disappointed in their 
current web presence when I looked.  It was better in the past.

Chris

 

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Hi Chris,

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On Feb 13, 2018, at 16:03, Chris Hahn <c...@2chahn.com <mailto:c...@2chahn.com> 
> wrote:

I have been in many places that did not seem remotely magical, but I haven’t 
given up on believing that magical experiences can happen.  

Yeah, my comment was probably too cynical. :-/

 

What I should have said is that I believe magic requires design, nurture, and 
measurement to be sustained.

 

I am concerned that if Hope can’t find a better way to articulate that magic to 
paying customers — not just alumni —- the pressure will build to cut corners on 
the “magic” in order to make the concrete numbers go up.  

 

I imagine trustees are supposed to prevent that, but it requires a deep 
understanding of what is sacred vs expedient. 

 

E

 

 

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Re: Hope? I Re: Values education Re: [RC] [ RC ] Aptitude vs. Achievement / The Problem of Two Cultures

2018-02-13 Thread Centroids 
Hi Chris,

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> On Feb 13, 2018, at 16:03, Chris Hahn  wrote:
> I have been in many places that did not seem remotely magical, but I haven’t 
> given up on believing that magical experiences can happen. 
> 
Yeah, my comment was probably too cynical. :-/

What I should have said is that I believe magic requires design, nurture, and 
measurement to be sustained.

I am concerned that if Hope can’t find a better way to articulate that magic to 
paying customers — not just alumni —- the pressure will build to cut corners on 
the “magic” in order to make the concrete numbers go up.  

I imagine trustees are supposed to prevent that, but it requires a deep 
understanding of what is sacred vs expedient. 

E


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RE: Hope? I Re: Values education Re: [RC] [ RC ] Aptitude vs. Achievement / The Problem of Two Cultures

2018-02-13 Thread Chris Hahn 
Ernie,

 

>From what I know from nieces, nephews, etc., Hope is still providing a 
>“values” experience.  They promote it to me in alumni literature.

 

About believing in magic… I left Hope with idealism and the commitment to make 
the world a better place.  I embarked on a path to do so.  It has been a long 
and winding road with ups and downs, and I have been in many places that did 
not seem remotely magical, but I haven’t given up on believing that magical 
experiences can happen.  

 

I encouraged both of my kids to go to a small school like Hope.  My son came 
the closest at Colorado School of Mines, but it didn’t provide him with the 
experiences I had at Hope.  My daughter wanted to surf, so she graduated from 
University of Hawaii.

 

Chris  

 

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Hi Chris,

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On Feb 12, 2018, at 21:39, Chris Hahn <c...@2chahn.com <mailto:c...@2chahn.com> 
> wrote:

I wasn’t promoting the website.  In my rush out of town I did a shorthand 
posting of my experience at Hope.  Those intangibles must be experienced to be 
believed.  There are small oases out there.  Ernie, I would encourage you to 
think small (college) for your children.  Magic can happen in these settings.

I don’t believe in magic anymore.

 

I do love the idea of a small college, especially for my daughter. But I would 
like the college to be up front about its values, and what it is committing to 
provide. 

 

I am curious whether Hope is still a magical place, or the Magic is becoming 
subordinate to those numbers it proudly reports on the website...

 

If we aren’t willing to be publicly accountable for our values, what good are 
they?

 

E

 





Chris

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Re: Hope? I Re: Values education Re: [RC] [ RC ] Aptitude vs. Achievement / The Problem of Two Cultures

2018-02-13 Thread Centroids 
Hi Chris,

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> On Feb 12, 2018, at 21:39, Chris Hahn  wrote:
> 
> I wasn’t promoting the website.  In my rush out of town I did a shorthand 
> posting of my experience at Hope.  Those intangibles must be experienced to 
> be believed.  There are small oases out there.  Ernie, I would encourage you 
> to think small (college) for your children.  Magic can happen in these 
> settings.
> 
I don’t believe in magic anymore.

I do love the idea of a small college, especially for my daughter. But I would 
like the college to be up front about its values, and what it is committing to 
provide. 

I am curious whether Hope is still a magical place, or the Magic is becoming 
subordinate to those numbers it proudly reports on the website...

If we aren’t willing to be publicly accountable for our values, what good are 
they?

E


> Chris

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RE: Hope? I Re: Values education Re: [RC] [ RC ] Aptitude vs. Achievement / The Problem of Two Cultures

2018-02-12 Thread Chris Hahn 
I wasn’t promoting the website.  In my rush out of town I did a shorthand 
posting of my experience at Hope.  Those intangibles must be experienced to be 
believed.  There are small oases out there.  Ernie, I would encourage you to 
think small (college) for your children.  Magic can happen in these settings.

Chris 

 

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/ The Problem of Two Cultures

 

Hi Chris,


On Feb 11, 2018, at 08:25, Chris Hahn <c...@2chahn.com <mailto:c...@2chahn.com> 
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Take a look at https://hope.edu/.  I would argue that small liberal arts 
colleges, especially those with a religious compass, do an excellent job of 
teaching culture, values, and skills for a happy life.  On top of that, they 
provide solid pathways in the sciences and humanities.

 

I dunno. The first page I saw was:

 

https://hope.edu/about/index.html

 

*   93% was in the workforce or graduate school within six months

*   84% of those employed full-time are employed in their field of study

*   91% participated in experiential learning

Other than affirming their reformed theology, I didn’t see anything about 
values.  Nothing about preparing people for healthy families and ministry.

 

Was I looking in the wrong place?

 

E

 

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