Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best options for Radio streams
jelockwood wrote: > That is pretty much what I am experiencing. As the track info does > change and show correct artwork when you restart it this to me suggests > the artwork is in the stream and it is the Squeezebox failing to update > its display as the stream continues. > > From one perspective this might be appropriate behaviour, that is for > local tracks the artwork is loaded when the track is loaded and when > that track finishes and the next track is loaded then again the artwork > is loaded. Obviously in the case of a continuous radio stream we need > different behaviour which is to continuously monitor for changes in the > stream and load new artwork as needed. The Sqeezebox DOES do this for > the artist and track info so why not for the artwork? It seems to me that since there is no artwork in original stream and artwork in Tune-in version - Tune-in is is supplying the artwork. LMS plays other Tunein stream with changing artwork OK (i.e. LMS updates artworks as it is changed) - so the problem probably lies with Tune-in and the original stream. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115396 ___ Radio mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best options for Radio streams
slartibartfast wrote: > At the moment the Tune in stream only updates the track info if I > restart it and to confuse things it has reverted to the previous track > info after displaying the correct info. > That is pretty much what I am experiencing. As the track info does change and show correct artwork when you restart it this to me suggests the artwork is in the stream and it is the Squeezebox failing to update its display as the stream continues. >From one perspective this might be appropriate behaviour, that is for local tracks the artwork is loaded when the track is loaded and when that track finishes and the next track is loaded then again the artwork is loaded. Obviously in the case of a continuous radio stream we need different behaviour which is to continuously monitor for changes in the stream and load new artwork as needed. The Sqeezebox DOES do this for the artist and track info so why not for the artwork? jelockwood's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5947 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115396 ___ Radio mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best options for Radio streams
The stream https://media-ssl.musicradio.com/RadioXLondon has embedded ICY metadata. The StreamTitle is correct and is updated. StreamUrl which should have an art URL but is left blank and a custom field "track_info" has Base64 encoded info. Code: icy-description : Radio X London icy-genre : Indie/Alternative icy-name: Radio X London StreamTitle : Stereophonics - Dakota StreamUrl : track_info : k4Smc3RhdHVzoUihQNJhi64cpHR5cGWhVKJpZKhNWDUxMTczM4Smc3RhdHVzoUOhQNJhi7BTpHR5cGWhVKJpZKhNWDUxMTg1N4Smc3RhdHVzoUOhQNJhi7E+pHR5cGWhVKJpZKhNWDUxMjc4NQ== UTC : 2020T113719.930 Track info decodes to something like "statusH@a typeTidMX511733statusC@aStypeTidMX511857statusC@a>typeTidMX512785" - very custom. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115396 ___ Radio mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best options for Radio streams
At the moment the Tune in stream only updates the track info if I restart it and to confuse things it has reverted to the previous track info after displaying the correct info. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115396 ___ Radio mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best options for Radio streams
If I have the same RadioX station - it has some embedded icy metadata - track and artists but no coverart which may be added by Tune-in. Code: Fields: 0 - Expires: Thu, 01 Dec 2003 16:00:00 GMT 1 - Cache-Control: no-cache, must-revalidate 2 - Pragma: no-cache 3 - Access-Control-Allow-Origin: * 4 - Access-Control-Allow-Credentials: true 5 - Set-Cookie: uuid=aeb22021-423a-46b3-93ca-90bf56cd93ca; expires=Fri, 10 Dec 2021 10:02:30 GMT; path=/; domain=.live.streamtheworld.com 6 - Set-Cookie: uuid-s=aeb22021-423a-46b3-93ca-90bf56cd93ca; expires=Fri, 10 Dec 2021 10:02:30 GMT; path=/; domain=.live.streamtheworld.com; SameSite=None; Secure; HttpOnly 7 - Content-Type: audio/mpeg 8 - Connection: close 9 - icy-name: Radio-X 10 - icy-description: Just great rock minus the bullshit! 11 - icy-url: http://spacial.com 12 - icy-genre: 13 - icy-br: 128 14 - icy-metaint: 16000 15 - Server: MediaGateway 5.6.2-0391.el6 --- HTTP DEBUG HEADER --- END --- Name : Radio-X Genre : Website: http://spacial.com Bitrate: 128kbit/s Cache size set to 320 KBytes STREAM: [null] http://listen.spacial.com/api/listen/?sid=13934&method=sc&rid=931830&DIST=TuneIn&TGT=TuneIn&maxServers=2&partnertok=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsImtpZCI6InR1bmVpbiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJ0cnVzdGVkX3BhcnRuZXIiOnRydWUsImlhdCI6MTYzNjUzNzY5NywiaXNzIjoidGlzcnYifQ.KNWiNeEyFeV4RDyDvdlGxz_e4VPoNNorNh5mSxB0RuU STREAM: Description: http streaming . . . Increasing filtered audio buffer size from 0 to 46144 A: 6.0 (05.9) of 0.0 (unknown) 0.1% 43% ICY Info: StreamTitle='Iron Maiden - The Number Of The Beast'; A: 306.7 (05:06.7) of 0.0 (unknown) 0.2% 40% ICY Info: StreamTitle='Aerosmith - Love in an Elevator (live)'; A: 660.0 (10:59.9) of 0.0 (unknown) 0.1% 40% ICY Info: StreamTitle='Seven Mary Three - Cumbersome'; A: 925.2 (15:25.1) of 0.0 (unknown) 0.1% 40% ICY Info: StreamTitle='Sass Jordan - Ugly (featuring George Clinton)'; A: 930.7 (15:30.6) of 0.0 (unknown) 0.1% 43% uninit called but X11 not initialized.. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115396 ___ Radio mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best options for Radio streams
philippe_44 wrote: > In general, aac and mp3 (and even flac) can support icy metadata in the > stream, where the server indicate that every N bytes sent, a potential > metadata update can be found, with the stream artist, title/album and > very rarely the artwork url. Most players dont support the artwork url, > unfortunately. This icymetadata interval of N bytes is above and > independent of underlying codec. Just for completeness, HLS streams can also have embedded metadata using different methods. When playing stations which offer multiple formats (e.g. http /mp3, http/aac and HLS) - the availability of embedded metadata may vary. I think some station streams do not have embedded metadata to encourage listener to use "official" websites or consolidators (e.g. Tune-in) to display ads as well track metadata etc. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115396 ___ Radio mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best options for Radio streams
Paul Webster wrote: > and is that what it is playing?Good question I wasn't listening. It looks to > me as though the plugin is providing the same info and images as The Radio X app though. So the issue is at their end. This is from "What was that tune" and you can see gaps where the Info wasn't updated. Another odd thing is that it shows the cover art out of sync with the track name when the now playing display at least shows the correct cover for the track name.[image: https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2020/7f257528a21313ba23555e34c14d4845.jpg] Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115396 ___ Radio mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best options for Radio streams
and is that what it is playing? Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), planetradio (bauer - kiss, absolute, scala, jazzfm etc), kcrw, abc australia and cbc/radio-canada and, via the extra \"radio now playing\" plugin, allzic radio, caroline flashback, cesky rozhlas, frequence3, jukeradio, klassikradio.de, linn radio, mother earth, naim radio, nova.fr, radioblues flac, radio espace, rte ireland, somehow jazz, supla finland Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115396 ___ Radio mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best options for Radio streams
I left Radio X running and now it is showing track info and cover art for Muse. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115396 ___ Radio mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best options for Radio streams
Paul Webster wrote: > However, radio.net does show live track info ... implying that Global is > able to push the data out (the radio.net broadcaster API is very similar > to the TuneIn one). > > https://uk.radio.net/s/radioxlondonYou can see track info on the global > player website but when I looked the supposed previous track was played more than two hours ago. The website also has track art Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115396 ___ Radio mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best options for Radio streams
However, radio.net does show live track info ... implying that Global is able to push the data out (the radio.net broadcaster API is very similar to the TuneIn one). https://uk.radio.net/s/radioxlondon Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), planetradio (bauer - kiss, absolute, scala, jazzfm etc), kcrw, abc australia and cbc/radio-canada and, via the extra \"radio now playing\" plugin, allzic radio, caroline flashback, cesky rozhlas, frequence3, jukeradio, klassikradio.de, linn radio, mother earth, naim radio, nova.fr, radioblues flac, radio espace, rte ireland, somehow jazz, supla finland Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115396 ___ Radio mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best options for Radio streams
Paul Webster wrote: > Many radio stations (I suspect most) do not put cover art (url) in their > streamed metadata. > However, TuneIn (which used to be called RadioTime) has a facility to > provide missing cover art if it is told the track details. > TuneIn has their own API that they make available to broadcasters so > that TuneIn can know what track is playing without them having to "tune > in" to every radio stream. > > So - when you play a radio station via LMS using a TuneIn link then > there is a good chance that the cover art that you are seeing has come > from TuneIn. > > Occasional cover art for a single station implies a fault somewhere ... > the challenge is to find where in the chain it is broken. > > To verify ... go to the TuneIn web site and look at the page on their > site for the radio station and see if the Now Playing information is > updating even when you do not play the station. > > Note - TuneIn provides a downgraded service to UK listeners since a > court case a couple of years ago. Search for more info. > > RadioFeeds does not have such a capability. So if you are playing a > radio station via a URL that you find there and you see cover art then > it is coming from somewhere else - e.g. the radio station is embedding > the URL to the cover art within their stream. > > Radio.net has a similar API to TuneIn but I don't think they make much > use of it - except to show the data on their web site. > > The other way to get cover art is for a plugin within LMS to add it. > Radio X (UK) is part of the Global group. If you have the plugin "Global > Player (UK)" then you can have augmented information but, from my quick > test of a few minutes ago, I don't think it provides cover art. However, > the plugin does provide access to podcasts and replays of shows.I don't even > see track info from Radio X from Tune In on LMS. The only info is the programme title and programme image. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115396 ___ Radio mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best options for Radio streams
In general, aac and mp3 (and even flac) can support icy metadata in the stream, where the server indicate that every N bytes sent, a potential metadata update can be found, with the stream artist, title/album and very rarely the artwork url. Most players dont support the artwork url, unfortunately. This icymetadata interval of N bytes is above and independent of underlying codec. LMS 8.2 on Odroid-C4 - *SqueezeAMP!*, 5xRadio, 5xBoom, 2xDuet, 1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, RivaArena 1 & 3 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115396 ___ Radio mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Best options for Radio streams
Many radio stations (I suspect most) do not put cover art (url) in their streamed metadata. However, TuneIn (which used to be called RadioTime) has a facility to provide missing cover art if it is told the track details. TuneIn has their own API that they make available to broadcasters so that TuneIn can know what track is playing without them having to "tune in" to every radio stream. So - when you play a radio station via LMS using a TuneIn link then there is a good chance that the cover art that you are seeing has come from TuneIn. Occasional cover art for a single station implies a fault somewhere ... the challenge is to find where in the chain it is broken. To verify ... go to the TuneIn web site and look at the page on their site for the radio station and see if the Now Playing information is updating even when you do not play the station. Note - TuneIn provides a downgraded service to UK listeners since a court case a couple of years ago. Search for more info. RadioFeeds does not have such a capability. So if you are playing a radio station via a URL that you find there and you see cover art then it is coming from somewhere else - e.g. the radio station is embedding the URL to the cover art within their stream. Radio.net has a similar API to TuneIn but I don't think they make much use of it - except to show the data on their web site. The other way to get cover art is for a plugin within LMS to add it. Radio X (UK) is part of the Global group. If you have the plugin "Global Player (UK)" then you can have augmented information but, from my quick test of a few minutes ago, I don't think it provides cover art. However, the plugin does provide access to podcasts and replays of shows. Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), planetradio (bauer - kiss, absolute, scala, jazzfm etc), kcrw, abc australia, cbc/radio-canada and rte ireland and, via the extra \"radio now playing\" plugin, allzic radio, caroline flashback, cesky rozhlas, frequence3, jukeradio, klassikradio.de, linn radio, mother earth, naim radio, nova.fr, radioblues flac, radio espace, somehow jazz, supla finland Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115396 ___ Radio mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
