[rails-oceania] Re: Why there are not many junior RoR jobs in Australia?

[maxs]

The job was advertised in October. 

The link is no longer available and the position is not currently open.


On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 2:33:00 PM UTC+11, Pedro Araujo wrote:
>
> Hi Max
>
> Could you please share the link of the Job Ad? 
>

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Re: [rails-oceania] Re: Why there are not many junior RoR jobs in Australia?

[Yasith Fernando]

FYI Envato is also hiring a junior Ruby dev:
https://boards.greenhouse.io/envato/jobs/542888

On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 at 10:35 soto  wrote:

> Yes, I live in Melbourne and do not need any sponsorship. Not sure, how I
> missed that ad.
> Could you please post it here.
>
>
> On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 11:27:51 AM UTC+11, maxs wrote:
>
> Hi soto,
>
> Where are you looking for jobs?
>
> We recently advertised for a junior rails developer position on Seek and
> received precisely zero applications.
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 11:09:02 AM UTC+11, soto wrote:
>
> I was wondering why there are not many RoR jobs in Australia. I have been
> searching for one year, only found exactly 3 junior RoR jobs!
> Most organisations want someone with 2+ years experience. I am not sure,
> is it something that you born with. I have not heard any baby
> born with 2+ years RoR experience. Parents please share your experience.
>
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[rails-oceania] Re: Why there are not many junior RoR jobs in Australia?

[soto]

Yes, I live in Melbourne and do not need any sponsorship. Not sure, how I 
missed that ad.
Could you please post it here.


On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 11:27:51 AM UTC+11, maxs wrote:
>
> Hi soto,
>
> Where are you looking for jobs?
>
> We recently advertised for a junior rails developer position on Seek and 
> received precisely zero applications.
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 11:09:02 AM UTC+11, soto wrote:
>>
>> I was wondering why there are not many RoR jobs in Australia. I have been 
>> searching for one year, only found exactly 3 junior RoR jobs!
>> Most organisations want someone with 2+ years experience. I am not sure, 
>> is it something that you born with. I have not heard any baby 
>> born with 2+ years RoR experience. Parents please share your experience.
>>
>

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[rails-oceania] Re: Why there are not many junior RoR jobs in Australia?

[michaelnoack]

Junior's are long-term investments, likely to be made by bigger companies 
(and ruby places tend to be the more risk taking, which tends to be smaller 
areas), seniors are short-term.

If a business needs to hire to get something important done within the next 
months, they'll basically need a senior.

If a business is thinking about the next few years they should consider a 
junior.

BUT even then given the first year the junior may *not only* not be near as 
productive as a senior (their ruby might be limited, their js might be 
limited, their knowledge of cloud services, the various frameworks used in 
the business, etc. is probably limited).

*BUT *they may also require significant time of a senior (thus taking a 
senior away from an existing project.

If someone is junior enough (imagine they just graduated uni and knew no 
ruby or rails or JS), the business might for example lose $100,000 on them 
in the first year and maybe break-even the second. $60,000 in 
wages/super/computer/etc. for the junior and $40,000 in lost productivity 
from the senior who is training/guiding them.

Hiring a junior is probably best done 2 or more at a time because of this, 
so it's not something businesses can easily do.

Combine that with the *HUGE RISK* that after say 2 years when the business 
might have finally broken even on the junior (who is now intermediate) 
leaves for another company.

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 10:39:02 AM UTC+10:30, soto wrote:
>
> I was wondering why there are not many RoR jobs in Australia. I have been 
> searching for one year, only found exactly 3 junior RoR jobs!
> Most organisations want someone with 2+ years experience. I am not sure, 
> is it something that you born with. I have not heard any baby 
> born with 2+ years RoR experience. Parents please share your experience.
>

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[rails-oceania] Re: Why there are not many junior RoR jobs in Australia?

[MT]

Are you still looking for a job?

On Thursday, 2 March 2017 18:23:45 UTC+11, soto wrote:
>
> How is it possible? I have searched Seek/Linkedin almost everyday but have 
> not seen your ad!
> Can you post the link here ?
>
>
> Hi soto,
>
> Where are you looking for jobs?
>
> We recently advertised for a junior rails developer position on Seek and 
> received precisely zero applications.
>

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[rails-oceania] Re: Why there are not many junior RoR jobs in Australia?

[soto]

How is it possible? I have searched Seek/Linkedin almost everyday but have 
not seen your ad!
Can you post the link here ?


Hi soto,

Where are you looking for jobs?

We recently advertised for a junior rails developer position on Seek and 
received precisely zero applications.

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[rails-oceania] Re: Why there are not many junior RoR jobs in Australia?

[Pedro Araujo]

Hi Max

Could you please share the link of the Job Ad? 

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[rails-oceania] Re: Why there are not many junior RoR jobs in Australia?

[maxs]

Hi soto,

Where are you looking for jobs?

We recently advertised for a junior rails developer position on Seek and 
received precisely zero applications.


On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 11:09:02 AM UTC+11, soto wrote:
>
> I was wondering why there are not many RoR jobs in Australia. I have been 
> searching for one year, only found exactly 3 junior RoR jobs!
> Most organisations want someone with 2+ years experience. I am not sure, 
> is it something that you born with. I have not heard any baby 
> born with 2+ years RoR experience. Parents please share your experience.
>

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[rails-oceania] Re: Why there are not many junior RoR jobs in Australia?

['Isaac Su' via Ruby or Rails Oceania]

Hi soto,

We're currently hiring for a Software Engineer Intern position at Zendesk 
in Melbourne.


http://app.jobvite.com/m?3YRjsiwn


I'd encourage you and other keen junior RoR developers to apply.


All the best,


Isaac Su


On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 11:09:02 AM UTC+11, soto wrote:
>
> I was wondering why there are not many RoR jobs in Australia. I have been 
> searching for one year, only found exactly 3 junior RoR jobs!
> Most organisations want someone with 2+ years experience. I am not sure, 
> is it something that you born with. I have not heard any baby 
> born with 2+ years RoR experience. Parents please share your experience.
>

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