Re: [bootstrappable] How to talk to skeptics?

2022-12-14 Thread Jeremiah
> We already fully trust the sources they release, and we already fully > trust their binary compiler releases. Well that assumption is 100% wrong. Trusting source code is the wrong place to place trust. And trusting binaries is just a bad idea in general. But for the people who do choose to trus

Re: How to talk to skeptics?

2022-12-14 Thread John Neffenger
On 12/14/22 11:30 AM, Bernhard M. Wiedemann via rb-general wrote: He also once pointed me to https://blog.cmpxchg8b.com/2020/07/you-dont-need-reproducible-builds.html I also wonder how all this verification is going to work. For example, I'll soon be providing reproducible builds of OpenJDK. H

Re: How to talk to skeptics?

2022-12-14 Thread Vagrant Cascadian
On 2022-12-14, Bernhard M. Wiedemann via rb-general wrote: > a colleague of mine is rather skeptic towards bootstrapping and > reproducible-builds. > > E.g. he wrote > > https://fy.blackhats.net.au/blog/html/2021/05/12/compiler_bootstrapping_can_we_trust_rust.html This seems to miss the point tha

How to talk to skeptics?

2022-12-14 Thread Bernhard M. Wiedemann via rb-general
Hi, a colleague of mine is rather skeptic towards bootstrapping and reproducible-builds. E.g. he wrote https://fy.blackhats.net.au/blog/html/2021/05/12/compiler_bootstrapping_can_we_trust_rust.html and the effect can also be seen in his packaging such as https://build.opensuse.org/package/sh

Re: buildinfo question

2022-12-14 Thread James Addison via rb-general
On Tue, 13 Dec 2022 at 18:15, Vagrant Cascadian wrote: > > It would be interesting to do something more systematic like your > suggestion, though I'm not aware of anything at the moment. Thanks Vagrant, that's good to know (it matches my understanding too, from searching around). Roughly speakin