Re: [RBW] Re: Say NO to Internet censorship

2012-01-21 Thread Joe Bernard
So had a couple drinks and decided to dive into the politics, eh? Friday night! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/G9TwkdzrGk4J. To

[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012

2012-01-21 Thread islaysteve
Bobby, Yes, so many options. Thanks again for all the time and organizing you're putting into this ride. I too was thinking about options and wondering if I could do something along the lines of your third choice (people doing the shuttle with a combination of vehicles). Anyway, I'm hoping

Re: [RBW] Say NO to Internet censorship

2012-01-21 Thread robert zeidler
Thank You Joe! On Friday, January 20, 2012, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: Umm..because after the OJ trial no sane orange juice producer would be stupid enough to use those letters? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group.

[RBW] Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Pretty sure the CR-18 and the Pasela were never intended for tubeless use. But what's the worst that can happen? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit

Re: [RBW] Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread Steven Frederick
Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Pretty sure the CR-18 and the Pasela were never intended for tubeless use. But what's the worst that can happen? POW!! CRASH!!! Tubeless is more of a low-pressure application, right? How low can you realistically run road(ish)

Re: [RBW] Re: Say NO to Internet censorship

2012-01-21 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I sure hope Congress is paying attention as the RBW group solves this problem. You're welcome, Congress! Whenever I'm tempted to engage in these debates, I remind myself of a news article I read in the last couple years: there is a correlation between brain structure and political persuasion.

Re: [RBW] Say NO to Internet censorship

2012-01-21 Thread robert zeidler
Obviously, a man with his priorities in order. On Saturday, January 21, 2012, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: I sure hope Congress is paying attention as the RBW group solves this problem. You're welcome, Congress! Whenever I'm tempted to engage in these debates, I

Re: [RBW] Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread Steven Frederick
More helpfully, might I suggest that you pick up some tubes with removable valve cores and inject some Stan's sealant into them? I've done this with my Mukluk because the tubes are $17 apiece(!) and fat bikes are tricky to set up tubeless (I hear--haven 't tried it) I don't know if it's helping

Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne 56cm question

2012-01-21 Thread Bruce Baker
You might want to check with country bikes they still have a few Sam's with a single top tube www.countrybikeshop.com/ or Mountain sports Ltd mountainsportsltd.com/ in Bristol. I have a 56 Sam and love it...You are making the right choice.. Bruce On 1/20/12, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote:

Re: [RBW] Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
There are a number of road rims and high-pressure skinny tires that are made to run tubeless. These have been around since 2006 or so. The CR-18 and the Pasela are not exactly the latest tubeless technology. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW

[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012

2012-01-21 Thread islaysteve
Bobby I was discussing the logistics with my wife this morning and she came up with a suggestion (sorry if you've already thought of this): What about renting a one-way U-haul truck from Connellville to Frostburg or Cumberland? It would only require one of the riders (or two) to drive it back

Re: [RBW] Re: Say NO to Internet censorship

2012-01-21 Thread Tim McNamara
Wow, Kelly, that's mostly not even coherent. On Jan 21, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Kelly Sleeper wrote: Actually camper it's not not liking it it's voicing an opinion.. Democracy hmm. So two rapist and one woman .. Guess rape would be legal. I write a book, a song etc. I make one copy for

[RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread rperks
Everything I have read on the subject seems to suggest the system works best for pressures under 45psi. That was the reccomended high on Stan's Raven cross tire, 700x35. The biggest problem will be the threat of the tire rolling off the rim. Second to that is the sealant of choice eating at

[RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread Bill M.
My only road tubeless experience is vicarious. One of our bike club members has a tubeless setup with Dura Ace wheels and tubeless- specific 23 mm tires. I've seen him DNF two club rides because of flats due to sealing problems. I'd pass on trying it with Paselas. There are tires that are more

Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sat, 2012-01-21 at 07:32 -0800, Bill M. wrote: My only road tubeless experience is vicarious. One of our bike club members has a tubeless setup with Dura Ace wheels and tubeless- specific 23 mm tires. I've seen him DNF two club rides because of flats due to sealing problems. I'd pass on

[RBW] Re: Bar Tape

2012-01-21 Thread Tom M
I'm a fan of the Velo Orange elkhide bar wrap. I've had it on two bikes now, and it holds up well and ages nicely. It's more work to install, but the price is right. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on

Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread cyclotourist
Jim, it's a combination definitely not found in nature! Steve, I've built up some ghetto tubeless for some friends and really like the results. Those were all 2.0+ tires though. I know they do tubeless road set ups, but I don't know if anyone has done an off the label sort of thing. Paselas are

Re: [RBW] Re: Say NO to Internet censorship

2012-01-21 Thread Kelly Sleeper
Tim McNamara Wow, Kelly, that's mostly not even coherent. Thanks Tim.. guess you aren't smart enough to get it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit

[RBW] 2 Rambouillets 2006 for sale, 58 and 60

2012-01-21 Thread Lola
New in 2006, these bikes are in great condition, especially the 60 which has been ridden less. We have to sell them reluctantly because we are living and will be traveling on a boat and cannot take them with us. *Rivendell Rambouillet 60 Blue * Rear Der LX RR Long Cass Deore HG50

[RBW] Re: FS: Carradice Barley Bags

2012-01-21 Thread SISDDWG
Both bags have been sold. Thanks. On Jan 19, 2:30 pm, SISDDWG dgen...@gmail.com wrote: One black and one green. I've used them but very little. They look new! Still stiff. $50 each plus shipping. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch

[RBW] Re: Bar Tape

2012-01-21 Thread Jay in Tel Aviv
I've got brown Salsa tape on right now. Works great, good match for my honey Brooks and rewrapped no problem when I changed out my stem. Jay On Jan 20, 9:15 pm, Bruce Herbitter bruce.herbit...@gmail.com wrote: Eric That's what I don;t like about it. It won't stay in place!  email me your

[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne 56cm question

2012-01-21 Thread Smitty-A-Go-Go
My impression is that 2TT vs 1TT is almost as divisive as low trail vs high trail. I like both. If I were looking for a 1TT 56 Sam I might call around to bike shops that are known to stock Rivs. Search the forum archive, or there might be a list on the Riv site. Also, try call Riv HQ. They're

[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne 56cm question

2012-01-21 Thread Jay in Tel Aviv
Same thing happened to me this summer. I got as far as putting the order in for a new Sam and ended up cancelling it when I found out about the extra tube. I called around everywhere to find a shop that still had the single top tube Sam, but the few that did would only sell it as a complete bike,

Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question

2012-01-21 Thread Elton Pope-Lance
If not, Harris has an orange one on the floor. Elton Pope-Lance Natick, MA On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Steve Hemmelgarn wrote: Mike, You may want to contact the Country Bike Shop in Celina, Ohio at WWW.CountryBikeshop.com They are an exclusive Riv dealer and the last time I was

Re: [RBW] Re: Bar Tape

2012-01-21 Thread Bruce Herbitter
I got about a year of mine. It looked good until sweat did a number on it. In cooler climes it would last longer. There's a Walnut Studios Handlebra set on the shelf to try. It's a thicker version of the V-O style and I have hopes it will go longer. It will go on this bike in the near future (and

[RBW] Re: QB on CL

2012-01-21 Thread Rusty Jefferson
My first post here. This was my bike. Just sold it to someone in Chicago who told me he saw it on this site. I didn't know you all were here, so it was quite the surprise. Looks like it's going to a good home. I'll miss riding it. I'll have to see if there's a Waterford owners group cause I've

Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question

2012-01-21 Thread Mike Goldsworthy
i'll take a look at it. thanks! what's the difference between the san marcos, AHH and Atlantis? On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:15 PM, DustyMerkin wrote: Have you looked at the Soma San Marcos, the 54cm does not have the 2TT but I believe the geometry is similar to the 56cm but not sure. -- You

[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne 56cm question

2012-01-21 Thread Mike Goldsworthy
awesome. thanks. just sent them an email On Jan 20, 1:03 pm, Steve Hemmelgarn trekcommu...@yahoo.com wrote: Mike, You may want to contact the Country Bike Shop in Celina, Ohio at WWW.CountryBikeshop.com They are an exclusive Riv dealer and the last time I was there they had some 56 Sams

[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012

2012-01-21 Thread Bruce Oppenheim
Bobby, Logistics is an issue. It's still early for me and I've only had my first cup of coffee My friend and I camped the entire route except one nasty rainy night where we found a bunk house and spent the night. Nice primitive campgrounds along the way. Wonder if we can work this into a

[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East - Falling Water train transportation

2012-01-21 Thread ascpgh
As plans for RRE12 firms up I can offer that the outfitters in Ohiopyle, PA, who predominantly focus on whitewater rafting, are increasingly servicing the needs of through-riders on the GAP/CO and their advantageous trailside location and offer pretty comprehensive shuttling. Their 15 pax vans

[RBW] Re: Bar Tape

2012-01-21 Thread ascpgh
I'm using the Fizik Microtex on my commuter's dirt drop bar. I was interested in the micro texture contribution for the rain snow, ice sweat, etc. Works fine. Some fraying of the edges where the material is wearing away but its been in service for three years, an outcome of the increased grip. I

[RBW] Re: 58cm Saluki for Sale, needs good home, just too big for me.

2012-01-21 Thread ilter
Hi all, My 3rd attempt in posting my first message. Is 58cm Saluki identical to 58cm AHH in terms of frame geometry ? Does anyone know if Saluki`s tubing feels significantly more flexible and livelier than Surly LHT ? Thanks in advance for any response. ilter On Jan 9, 1:06 pm, Peter M

[RBW] FS: Swrve kninckers,womens

2012-01-21 Thread judy richmond
Swrve women's knickers, size XL. Grey herringbone, 74% cotton, 23% nylon, 3% lycra Tried on but never worn. $35 includes shipping in CUS photo available. If interested please contact me off list. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners

Re: [RBW] Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread Peter Morgano
I have a set of tubeless wheels, shamano 600 hubs,dura ace small block cluster. Will sell for what I paid, 25 bucks plus actual shipping. They definetly need new tires but are in great shape otherwise. On Jan 21, 2012 9:08 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: There are a

Re: [RBW] Say NO to Internet censorship

2012-01-21 Thread jimD
Mr Thill, You fail to mention whether or not that tweed mudflap is attached with appropriate fasteners or if the use of the heinous zip tie is involved. Your post is approaching the realm of the inadequate. -JImD On Jan 21, 2012, at 4:38 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I sure hope

Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne 56cm question

2012-01-21 Thread PATRICK MOORE
What exactly is the reason for the second tt on such a small size as a 56? Is it just for looks? On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.comwrote: Same thing happened to me this summer. I got as far as putting the order in for a new Sam and ended up cancelling it when

Re: [RBW] Re: Say NO to Internet censorship

2012-01-21 Thread Tim McNamara
On Jan 21, 2012, at 9:58 AM, Kelly Sleeper wrote: Tim McNamara Wow, Kelly, that's mostly not even coherent. Thanks Tim.. guess you aren't smart enough to get it. Wow. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this

Re: [RBW] Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread jimD
Yo David, Have you considered Foss tubes? I'm running them on my riv on streets, my rear JB is getting real thin, has lots of miles on it. I'm starting to think that the Foss things help. I know goat heads are an entirely different spawn of the devil, lived around them for a number of years

Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Big Apples are more resistant to goatheads than any other tire I've used; they are not proof against them but they are something like, roughly, 1:4 for Paselas. On dirt I've ridden through goathead patches without being scathed, tho' on pavement thorns will eventually be driven in past the belt.

Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question - diff between the Riv models

2012-01-21 Thread James Warren
Now that's the kind of question we need on the list right now! The Atlantis came about around 1999 as Rivendell's Japanese-built version of their legendary All-rounder. The all-rounder is/was a bike-style designed to work well in the following ways: as a road bike for people not set on racing

Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread PATRICK MOORE
FWIW, you can get sealant past the core on Presta valves not designed for this by twisting the locknut off with pliers, letting the core drop into the tube, putting in the sealant, then fish around for the core and work it back up to the valve stem and force the locknut back on with the pliers.

Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question - diff between the Riv models

2012-01-21 Thread James Warren
Correction/clarification: The Atlantis does now succeed in achieving the 2-inch tire clearance. Maybe more, I'm not sure. On Jan 21, 2012, at 9:11 AM, James Warren wrote: Now that's the kind of question we need on the list right now! The Atlantis came about around 1999 as Rivendell's

Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread cyclotourist
I had pretty good luck with a slit (more like a tear) and re-sealing. Did that w/ the kids' bikes Slime. The prob. w/ Stans or other latex-based is that it evaporates pretty quickly and you need to replace in 3-6 months. Removable cores are definitely the way to go with that stuff. On 1/21/12,

Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sat, 2012-01-21 at 10:13 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: FWIW, you can get sealant past the core on Presta valves not designed for this by twisting the locknut off with pliers, letting the core drop into the tube, putting in the sealant, then fish around for the core and work it back up to the

Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread cyclotourist
On 1/21/12, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: Is there anything short of tank treads that is resistant to goat heads? Not a thing. My buddy here in town rides those terrible Armadillo tires, but he still gets occasional flats. I'm not willing to do that, so seeking alternatives! --

[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne 56cm question

2012-01-21 Thread Mike Goldsworthy
Thanks everyone for the help! I've sent an email to countrybike and will see what they've got. I'm also going to try and get in touch with Rivendell - from the website, it's unclear to me if the 56cm has a double TT or not. A few of you have suggested looking at different models - the Atlantis,

Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question - diff between the Riv models

2012-01-21 Thread Mike Goldsworthy
Jim - that's incredibly helpful. Thanks do much for this! Mike --- yes it's short it may be misspelled because it was Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2012, at 9:11 AM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: Now that's the kind of question we need on the list right now! The

[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne 56cm question

2012-01-21 Thread islaysteve
Mike, If you can't find a single TT Sam in your size, I suggest you widen your search to include other previous models, esp. the Bleriot (disclaimer, I bought a Bleriot f/f last year). I mention the Bleriot specifically because it will serve your stated purposes (rackable, fenderable, etc like

[RBW] Re: QB on CL

2012-01-21 Thread islaysteve
Hi Rusty, You could probably post the Waterfords on here also and I doubt anyone would mind much! (But of course our esteemed moderator has the last word on that.) Keep visiting, sounds like you're still in the Riv family. Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question - diff between the Riv models

2012-01-21 Thread Ray Shine
I know you are thinking all of this thru. you shouldn't rush. readd all the posts and the Riv site as well. Read cyclofiends info, too. Check out the various photo sets, etc. I just wanted you to know that I will be off-line for the next few hours, so if you were to email me, a response is

[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East - Falling Water train transportation

2012-01-21 Thread Montclair BobbyB
Andy: Thanks, I contacted Wilderness Voyageurs, and they may be able to accommodate us!!! I'll get confirmation from them later in the week. Appreciate the referral. Bobby On Jan 21, 5:15 am, ascpgh asc@gmail.com wrote: As plans for RRE12 firms up I can offer that the outfitters in

Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question - diff between the Riv models

2012-01-21 Thread jimD
Jim, Excellent! If Jim Cyclofiend wasn't swamped I'd move that he add this to the Cyclofiend site. On Jan 21, 2012, at 9:11 AM, James Warren wrote: Now that's the kind of question we need on the list right now! The Atlantis came about around 1999 as Rivendell's Japanese-built version of

[RBW] Where's Maynard

2012-01-21 Thread SJB
Nothing posted on Maynard's blog in months. Does any know what's up with him?? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email

[RBW] Re: 58cm Saluki for Sale, needs good home, just too big for me.

2012-01-21 Thread dougP
On Jan 21, 6:57 am, ilter ilt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, tubing feels significantly more flexible and livelier than Surly LHT ? Thanks in advance for any response. ilter ilter: A friend has an Atlantis and a LHT, both 58 cm and similarly set-up. He reports the Atlantis feels

Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question - diff between the Riv models

2012-01-21 Thread Bruce Herbitter
Great recap and thoughts on Riv models past and present. Don't forget the pre-Rambouillet Long Low, which was very similar to it at a higher price point, and the Road Standard, which had much quicker steering (lower trail). On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 11:11 AM, James Warren

Re: [RBW] Say NO to Internet censorship

2012-01-21 Thread Bruce Herbitter
White zip tie or black? On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 10:55 AM, jimD rasterd...@comcast.net wrote: if the use of the heinous zip tie is involved. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to

Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question - diff between the Riv models

2012-01-21 Thread DustyMerkin
I hate to keep bringing up Soma but the lugged Stanyan is a great frame and looks like you can get it for 450 on ebay right now which is an amazing price for these.

Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne 56cm question - diff between the Riv models

2012-01-21 Thread Joe Bernard
Check out the Bleriot on EBay. Might be your size. Lovely bicycle. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ZxJycGDrIOkJ. To post to this

Re: [RBW] Say NO to Internet censorship

2012-01-21 Thread jimD
I'm partial to black. More devilish. -JimD On Jan 21, 2012, at 1:01 PM, Bruce Herbitter wrote: White zip tie or black? On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 10:55 AM, jimD rasterd...@comcast.net wrote: if the use of the heinous zip tie is involved. -- You received this message because you are

Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Y'all take heed and learn from my misfortune: don't use Kenda tubes. I installed fatties in the 60 mm Big Apples this afternoon, preparing to use the Big Apple wheelset again on the Fargo, and ended up tossing three newish Kendas due to splitting -- and one split not even at a seam! I installed

Re: [RBW] Say NO to Internet censorship

2012-01-21 Thread PATRICK MOORE
If'n this thread doesn't go away soon I will start posting about trikes. On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:13 PM, jimD rasterd...@comcast.net wrote: I'm partial to black. More devilish. -JimD On Jan 21, 2012, at 1:01 PM, Bruce Herbitter wrote: White zip tie or black? On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at

Re: [RBW] Say NO to Internet censorship

2012-01-21 Thread David Faller
That oughtta do it! On 1/21/2012 6:17 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: If'n this thread doesn't go away soon I will start posting about trikes. On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:13 PM, jimD rasterd...@comcast.net mailto:rasterd...@comcast.net wrote: I'm partial to black. More devilish. -JimD

Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I've been using and selling Kenda tubes for years with no problems whatsoever! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/E4ERYjKpPm4J. To post

Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Well, I withdraw my blanket condemnation, but dammit, they've given me trouble! On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: I've been using and selling Kenda tubes for years with no problems whatsoever! -- You received this message because you

[RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread EricP
With Jim on this. Probably have Kenda on all my bikes. And the wife's bike. They seem to be very reliable. And in colder weather, they don't lose air as quickly as some others. Big ol' bias alert - I buy almost all my tubes from Jim at Hiawatha. BTW, have tried the Foss tubes. Meh. Was not

Re: [RBW] Say NO to Internet censorship

2012-01-21 Thread Bill Gibson
hooray! Hey, it's snowing in Flagstaff, and folks are riding their bikes. Wish I had mine with me... On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:34 PM, David Faller dfal...@charter.net wrote: That oughtta do it! On 1/21/2012 6:17 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: If'n this thread doesn't go away soon I will start

[RBW] Re: new bars spy shot-- Alba-moose?

2012-01-21 Thread Geoff
Ok, here's more official and specific info on the Bullmoosey NewBar: http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/1627183/nothing-but-bitefulls Pics of the bar are near the end of the article. As I told Vince at Riv HQ, today- I want! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

[RBW] Re: Where's Maynard

2012-01-21 Thread grant
'm in touch with him frequently. Just tonite, in fact. He points out goofs in my BLUGs---the instead of they, and some other more embarassing ones. He's in Colorado, doing fine. On Jan 21, 12:20 pm, SJB sjbrau...@gmail.com wrote: Nothing posted on Maynard's blog in months. Does any know

[RBW] Re: Say NO to Internet censorship

2012-01-21 Thread Philip Williamson
So how are you liking your trike? Do you think Grant would ever design a Rivendell trike? Is there such a thing as a tandem trike? My guesses are lots, nope, and um. Philip On Jan 21, 6:17 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: If'n this thread doesn't go away soon I will start posting

Re: [RBW] Re: Say NO to Internet censorship

2012-01-21 Thread Tim McNamara
On Jan 21, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Philip Williamson wrote: So how are you liking your trike? Do you think Grant would ever design a Rivendell trike? Is there such a thing as a tandem trike? My guesses are lots, nope, and um. As to the last, there are tandem delta and tadpole trikes. The