[RBW] Roadeo Sizing Help

Grant is The Man. But here is another data point. I am 6ft with an 89cm PBH. Grant chose a 61.5cm Road standard for me. And I ride a 62cm Legolas and a 60cm Quickbeam (with some dirt riding intended for the Q). I wish the Q was 62 too but it's fine. -- You received this message because you

[RBW] The American (aka MUSA) List

Girl sent me this. It's a cool resource, oddly heavy on bikes and bike-y stuff: http://www.acontinuouslean.com/the-american-list/ I like buying American when I can. I think some of you do, too.* Happy All-The-Days, Jeff Hagedorn Los Angeles, CA USA *Kindly steer any disputes of provenance,

[RBW] Mix 'n match gearing

I found on the 'net some interesting (in a nerdy, arithmetic sort of way) info on shifter cable pull, derailer actuation ratios, and cog spacing. Naturally, I loaded it all into a spreadsheet for fun. After looking at many different permutations, I came upon one that seemed fairly useful. If

Re: [RBW] Winter Ramble

Deacon Patrick - there are degrees of confusion. When I fail to recognize that my sheep-wearing friend would never be looking at a pile hat I need to slow down a wee bit. Also known as the challenge of taking a look at the list while working on something else. My best to both Patricks. Bob On

Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Ramble

Brynnar - Good to see your name! It has been too long since I have seen you on the Tow Path. We all got caught by the weather. I did an interesting 180 in the middle of the road - not much bite in the Marathon Supreme... On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 6:29 PM, ctifusion wrote:

[RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

A beautiful pure Rivendell. I love my Roadeo, but I could sure enjoy a Rosco. Cheers, Don C. On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 3:37:22 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > >

Re: [RBW] What are you hauling?

Both trailers can swing independently. My son (3) and neighbor kid (3) say it's too tight in the Trek only, so we improvise and roll on. It works well actually. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this

Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

Bill, I rode a friend's 25" Jones Plus on singletrack, and it felt fine, but larger than I needed. I'm 5'11" with a 76cm SH, and would definitely go for the 24". Fun bike. Also have a Hunqa. Different for sure! Jones is more dirt oriented, but you strangely sit straight up on it. It feels like

Re: [RBW] Re: What are you hauling?

On 12/19/2016 07:51 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote: Yes, Steve. There is a ferry over to Newburgh just to the right, and The Sloop Club, started by Pete Seeger. I rode the old Beacon Newburgh Ferry back in the 1950s and was a member of the Sloop Club in the 1970s. We

[RBW] Re: HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah

Dave mentioned they might have a Silver crank available but it may also not happen in time. I was also thinking about standard Sugino triple cranks but this is our first tandem and I've done zero research on gear options. We also chose orange which I was second guessing since I already have an

[RBW] Re: Front rack for Appaloosa fork mounts

I have wondered about this too. I figured a custom rack would be required. Happy to see the solutions to Joe's question. Thank you everyone! Regards, Richard On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 7:02:41 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: > > I'm thinking about putting a front rack on Joe Blue and would

[RBW] Re: I need help. I have become a Riv enabler.

I forgot to mention that Chase (the owner of the Wheelhouse bike shop) along with everyone else I interacted with were great to work with. On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 5:16:38 PM UTC-5, Daniel Betancourt wrote: > > Well I'm that guy that ordered the frame. To be quite exact, I went ahead >

Re: [RBW] Winter Ramble

No worries, Bob. I do that sometimes too. Sardonic grin. With abandon, Patrick of the highlands who wears a sheep on his head when it gets really cold On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 8:34:18 PM UTC-7, Robert Barr wrote: > > Patrick, I confused my Patricks > -- You received this message

[RBW] Re: Winter Ramble

Thanks for the tire comment. I got caught in Indy this year with early winter weather and no winter tires. I ride my 26inch Surly LHT in the winter here and the Compass Rat Trap Pass do not handle icy roads well. I'm going to get a set of the RRs. Under 20 I go with a quality snowboarding

[RBW] Re: Black and Cream Color Scheme

A single color with no cream head tube or other touches is a "Sam Stealthborne". -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Winter Ramble

I rode in chilly freeze Maryland today and it wasn't pleasant. Road salt powder everywhere. But more fun than taking the car!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

Re: [RBW] FS: Docena Swift bag and B17 Special saddle

Yes! sorry. I just looked it up and then I still typed it wrong. It is the Select. On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: > Brooks should have named it something else 'cause everybody mixes them up. > The saddle you're selling is a Select, not Special, correct?

[RBW] FS: Docena Swift bag and B17 Special saddle

Brooks should have named it something else 'cause everybody mixes them up. The saddle you're selling is a Select, not Special, correct? I own one and agree they're very good places to sit. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.

[RBW] FS: Docena Swift bag and B17 Special saddle

I have a camo Docena bag I picked up from Ocean Air Cycles this summer and is like new, used on 2 short rides. I prefer the basket and shopsack and just don't generally find I have that much stuff to carry. $285 new plus shipping and wait time. $225 shipped? Also a B17 Special saddle I bought

Re: [RBW] Re: What are you hauling?

Yes, Steve. There is a ferry over to Newburgh just to the right, and The Sloop Club, started by Pete Seeger. Farmer's Market has been down here last few years. Also down here now is a natural park developed by Scenic Hudson, and a dirt trail that runs along the Hudson and adjacent to the old

[RBW] Re: Sam Frame Spacing

Another original Sam owner here. Something you might consider if you have a frame builder nearby is to have your frame put on a jig and have the rear alignment checked/adjusted. That's the beauty of a steel frame. Phil, running 42s and fenders On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 3:42:13 PM UTC-7,

[RBW] Re: I need help. I have become a Riv enabler.

If it gets there before Christmas, you'll know you've been good this year. dougP On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 2:16:38 PM UTC-8, Daniel Betancourt wrote: > > Well I'm that guy that ordered the frame. To be quite exact, I went ahead > and had it built out for me and am waiting for them to

Re: [RBW] Re: What are you hauling?

Is that the Beacon waterfront? On 12/19/2016 06:55 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote: This picture was taken in the spring, soon he'll be too big for this arrangement, which is why I picked up a tandem. But the Clem is a tractor that can haul just about anything. The key is

Re: [RBW] Jones and Hunq

Hi Daniel, Thanks! Seems like you guys had an amazing trip there. Thanks for sharing the info. I'm currently researching my options to take my 5 yr old son around on my upcoming Appaloosa. I'm leaning toward Bobike Classic Junior. I used iBert on my old mountain bike until he was about

Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

I have a regular 29 Jones spaceframe, and can't comment on the Plus other than to extrapolate (Jeff intended the two bikes - 24" Plus is equivalent to the 23" 29 - to encourage/accommodate the same fit and riding position). I'm 6'-2" with proportionally long torso / short legs. Regarding

[RBW] FS: 700c Velocity Dyad Front Wheel, Sugino Alpina Cranks, Brooks B17, Nitto M12 Rack

Adding the following: Schwalbe Furious Fred Tires - 29 x 2.0 - low miles - $60 shipped for a pair Tektro Long Reach Brakes - 73mm reach ones, black, recessed, slots filed for more reach, no brake pads - $25 shipped -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

[RBW] Re: Sam Frame Spacing

It's a 58. I was bummed I missed the double top tube. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post

[RBW] Re: Winter Ramble

Today's ride was positively balmy at 32˚F. A good ol' boy bundled to the hilt (more than I work at -5˚F) coming toward me in his pickup unrolls his window and hollers "It's way too cold for that!" I doubt he heard me, but I hollered back, "Good thing you're in a truck then!" waving and grinning

[RBW] Re: I need help. I have become a Riv enabler.

Well I'm that guy that ordered the frame. To be quite exact, I went ahead and had it built out for me and am waiting for them to ship it out. I'll make sure to post a pic once it arrives but I don't expect it will arrive til next week as I'm in Central Florida. I can't wait!! Dan On Thursday,

[RBW] Re: What are you hauling?

Elvin baking goods. Over the creek and through the woods, back to me hoose I go. The mammoth kens the way through powder slush and decay, back to me hoose I go! With abandon, Patrick

Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

Splendid. I think I get it. Since I'm smack dab in the middle of the range of heights for a medium, I'll take a wild guess that Jeff would put me on a medium. ;-) It's a fantastically cool bike, from my perspective. If I buy one someday, I'll be sure to ride one first and/or talk to Jeff.

[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne frameset 55cm (extras optional)

Price drops on these options ... #1: now $900; #2: now $975 On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 1:47:18 PM UTC-6, Forrest Meyer wrote: > > This is a companion post to my earlier one for the complete bike (FS Sam > Hillborne 55cm Albastache bars). BTW, dropping price for that to $1,800 > now. >

[RBW] Re: FS Sam Hillborne 55cm Albastache bars

Price drop and some changes. This bike now has 46 cm Noodle drop bars on it with Silver bar-end shifters (switched out from Albastache). Now priced at $1750 (down from $1900), and now includes pedals, Selle-Anatomica saddle, and fenders. Tires on it are now Schwalbe Marathon Cross 38's. On

Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

Bill, I talked to Jeff about it. He asked for my PBH and height. He knew what to put me on. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Sam Frame Spacing

yep looks like mine-what size is yours? On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 3:39:28 PM UTC-5, Timothy Hurley wrote: > > Belopsky, >I think it's from '09, but I'm not sure. Whenever they first sold them, > I pre ordered one. Here's a (crappy) pic: > > n Monday, December 19, 2016 at 12:22:43 PM

[RBW] FS: 700c Velocity Dyad Front Wheel, Sugino Alpina Cranks, Brooks B17, Nitto M12 Rack

Winter purging and cleaning up the garage. I'm sure I have a few more things that I'll add to this list when I get home this evening... Shipping is included in prices, unless noted. Regular Paypal payment is fine - I'll send an invoice as it's the easiest way to get shipping info and print a

Re: [RBW] Jones and Hunq

I second to call Jeff. >From what I remember they only had one size for a long time, the 24", which was meant for a wide variety of riders. The more you raise the seat the longer the effective top tube becomes, and from there it's a matter of saddle position and stem length to dial it in. I think

Re: [RBW] Jones and Hunq

Bill asked how folks are fit for Jones bikes. The website says riders 5'7" to 6'2" fit the 24" medium. It also says in many places that buyers are encouraged to call Jeff to talk specifics. So in the end, I think Jeff would say, "Call me to discuss fit." Guessing wouldn't be a great move

Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

Eric explained how the Jones designs accommodates a range of riders in a single size, and Geeter pointed out that there's a Small (23") to go with the Medium (24") and the Large (25"). That's all very good, but still not what I was asking. I was asking how one chooses a size or how Jones

[RBW] Re: Sam Frame Spacing

Bill, thank you for taking the time to give such detailed advice. What you said makes sense. I measured everything, flipped the wheel and measured again. Everything was the same both times. So I've established the wheel (it's true) is dished corrrctly and thus not the problem. The wheel was

[RBW] Re: Front rack for Appaloosa fork mounts

Hmm. I wasn't planning on such a big front rack, but the Pass and Stow is built just down the highway from me. I like it! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

Super sweet, Bill. Looks nimble. On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 10:25:29 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Brian corrected me that Colin is not in Portland, but instead is in that > little-known suburb of Portland...Seattle. :-P > > I went on a true maiden voyage this morning. On my daily

Re: [RBW] Re: Poster post

Yes! Good idea! Best, Richard Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:45 AM, Charlie R wrote: > > > I think the Just Ride Poster should be available for purchase!!! > > Charlie > > > >> On Friday, November 18, 2016 at 12:06:01 PM UTC-5, MartyG wrote:

[RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

There was some discussion on MTBR in regards to truss vs unicrown. Believe consensus was that there is slightly better breaking performance on the Truss due to less flex but that the unicrown is more than adequate. On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 8:11:32 AM UTC-8, Tony DeFilippo wrote: > > For

Re: [RBW] Re: HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah

On 12/19/2016 02:32 PM, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote: I went with the sageI kinda lust after the sage Hillbornes, whereas mine is blue. This is my redemption ;-) I just came back from coffee with friends of mine who are avid tandem riders (4! tandems in their line up).

[RBW] Re: HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah

I went with the sageI kinda lust after the sage Hillbornes, whereas mine is blue. This is my redemption ;-) I just came back from coffee with friends of mine who are avid tandem riders (4! tandems in their line up). They confirmed what you mentioned, having several bikes with a 54 large

[RBW] Re: Poster post

Why not? I'm sure there'd be some takers ! On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 10:52:27 AM UTC-6, Charlie R wrote: > > > I think the Just Ride Poster should be available for > purchase!!! > > Charlie > > > > On Friday, November 18, 2016 at 12:06:01 PM UTC-5, MartyG wrote: >> >> Finally

[RBW] Re: HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah

Alex, I'll also go with the Silver if that's an option, triple for sure, the lows are necessary. Some folks go nuts on tandem large chainring size -- 54 or 56 is not too hard to spot at a larger tandem rally, but for me that's not needed, especially on a bike like the HHH. Even with a 48

Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

Brian corrected me that Colin is not in Portland, but instead is in that little-known suburb of Portland...Seattle. :-P I went on a true maiden voyage this morning. On my daily drop run through the cemetery in El Cerrito, I stopped at my favorite crypt and took a shot. While I LOVE the

[RBW] Re: Sam Frame Spacing

Timothy Step 0: your rear wheel is true Step 1: with the bike on the ground, open the QR so you are sure the frame is fully dropped down on the vertical dropouts. Close the QR Step 2: measure clearances at all four points: both sides at the chainstays and both sides at the seatstays, write

[RBW] Re: Atlantis crankset question

I have not, but I will be running a modern super-compact outboard BB XTR mountain crankset (44/30) on my upcoming Atlantis. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 8:52:13 AM UTC-8, mike gasparino wrote: > > Have any of you guys used a modern compact (50t/34t) outboard bb

[RBW] Re: Roadeo Sizing Help

I'm 5'10" with a 86cm PBH 75.5cm saddle height. If I were to buy a Roadeo it would definitely be a 59, and I would most likely run a 10cm stem extension. Grant is right that if you want your Roadeo to look kind of like a 1980s racing bike or a snazzy steel club bike, then a 59 for your

[RBW] Re: Roadeo Sizing Help

You'd have a lot of seat post showing on a 59 but it really depends on how high you'd want to run your bars relative to saddle (although this is not so much of an issue nowadays with tallux stems/long quills). Personally I would go 61 with that pbh, even if the 61 is not immediately available.

[RBW] Re: Sam Frame Spacing

It's real easy to check dish..I made a tool out of cardboard and a small ruler. have you tried loosening/re-centering? PS: I also have a green Sam w cantis and people ask me what year that is - what is 'first year' and a photo? Thanks!! On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 11:52:08 AM UTC-5,

[RBW] Re: Quickbeam: A Three Year Retrospective

Ha! More thought went into my gear choices that I can to even try to remember. Now, I don't really think about them, though I've obviously kept my notes (thank you Evernote!) which helps when folks ask me gearing questions. However, the experience in riding is No thought goes into gearing

Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam: A Three Year Retrospective

Me, I think constantly about my ss gearing choices. *Constantly!* Patrick "good syntax is good thinking" Moore, in eye rolling ABQ, NM. On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Daniel D. wrote: > Sometimes my eyes glaze over when I hear singlespeed/fixed gear riders > talking

[RBW] Re: Quickbeam: A Three Year Retrospective

Sometimes my eyes glaze over when I hear singlespeed/fixed gear riders talking about riding usually around the part they talk about being freed from thinking so much:p. But I keep on checking out that quickbeam for sale in my area... > > > -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] Atlantis crankset question

Have any of you guys used a modern compact (50t/34t) outboard bb cranks on your Atlantis? Just wondering if it will clear -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

Re: [RBW] Roadeo Sizing Help

I'm 6'1" with an 89 pbh. I have a 59 Road Standard and I've had a 59 Roadeo, and both fit perfectly. The top tube is just the right length. I use stems with 8-10 cm extension with drop bars. On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 1:50 PM, John G. wrote: > Hi all, > > As I've mentioned

[RBW] Roadeo Sizing Help

Hi all, As I've mentioned before on the board, I'm interested in a Roadeo. That 59cm posted on the site has caught my eye, but I'm wondering if it's a bit on the small size. My PBH is 88.5. Are there any Roadeo riders on this board with a similar PBH? If so, what size frame do you have? Grant

[RBW] Sam Frame Spacing

Hi all, I have a 1st year Sam (canti brakes, green paint) and I recently noticed that the rear wheel isn't centered between the chain stays (down by the kickstand plate). The tire (38mm Marathon) is almost touching the right chain stay. Everything is centered between the seat stays up by

[RBW] Re: Poster post

I think the Just Ride Poster should be available for purchase!!! Charlie On Friday, November 18, 2016 at 12:06:01 PM UTC-5, MartyG wrote: > > Finally had a chance to frame a poster I picked up from a book shop near > Chicago when Grant was on his book tour. They were going to

[RBW] Re: Front rack for Appaloosa fork mounts

A Nitto m18 may be worth a look. https://www.google.com/search?q=nitto+m18=1920=1043=isch=u=univ=X=2=0ahUKEwi4lMqj14DRAhVBMSYKHYxvDu0QsAQIKA I have one coming and will use a Wald basket with it. On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 11:49:59 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: > > Yeah, I'm liking the

[RBW] Jones and Hunq

For those who have ridden Jones frames with the truss and unicrown forks... is there a significant handling difference? >From what I gather the truss is about giving braking stiffness at lighter >weight than a traditional fork but I wonder if it also contributes to the >secret sauce that makes

[RBW] Re: Black and Cream Color Scheme

That is a beauty...I actually briefly considered a Mariposa before ordering my ( still elusive) mixte from Riv but I believe the senior Mike Barry is no longer building frames and they are spendy enough that I'm not sure I want to pay that money for a builder I don't know much about) ...I think

Re: [RBW] What are you hauling?

Thanks, Tony. I've since removed the fenders (it's not a bike I would choose for rainy days, fenders or not), and I've added a new model Cyo and Sanyo bb dynamo (I do use it for short trips to the store). The M-bar is just tolerable for rides of up to 10 miles or so; my left hand starts hurting

[RBW] Re: HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah

They are TBD still, rumor is there may be a Silver crankset option...but that's only rumor. If that's the case I'll jump on it. If not, I may go with Sugino's with bare arms or go nuts and get Herse tandem cranks. Either of those options have room for chainrings a la carte, so I'm curious

[RBW] Re: HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah HubbaHubbah

Alex, Are the options from Riv set yet? If so, perhaps I've missed it. What are you considering? Something else? Julian Westerhout Bloomington, IL On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 9:24:24 PM UTC-6, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote: > > Any other listers want to chime in on

[RBW] Re: Front rack for Appaloosa fork mounts

I have all the parts, haven't installed yet, but I'm planning on putting a Pass and Stow porteur rack back on my Clem using Nitto nuts/bolts/struts to attach to the top of fork crown mounts. David River Grove, IL On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 6:02:41 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote: > > I'm

[RBW] Jones and Hunq

Andrew, I've been interested in a Jones for awhile... let me know if you're interested in a road bike for Jones trade. I've 57-59 cm road frames/bikes. - Max -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this

[RBW] FS: 650b Wheelset, ChocoMoose Handlebars, HiRiser Stem, & Some other various Handlebars

Dibs on the Jitensha bar! :-) Sent you an email, Adam. - Max -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] What are you hauling?

J - that is quite a train you have going there! I've wondered what it would be like to put my tandem with a kid trailer in tow. We're the two trailers locked together from a swing perspective or could both articulate? Patrick that Dahon is sharp looking! Love the woody fenders and clean