[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

That is my undertanding. The Roadini is a cheaper Roadeo because it’s made in Taiwan, less lugs and sloping top tube so need less sizes. It’s not clear what the tubing difference is but I believe Rivendell mirrors the ride characteristics in terms of geometry. The same goes for the Sam and AHH.

[RBW] Re: FS: Albastache, Nitto, Brooks, B+M, Sugino, MKS, Tektro, tubes, tires, etc.

BM light is sold -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] A Homer Hilsen vs LHT - Will I notice a difference?

Are there any surly LHT owners that also have an A Homer Hilsen? I'm curious how the ride really differs, in practical terms. I currently own an LHT and it's been a great bike, but it's "too much" bike for me. I'm looking for something that would be snappier than the LHT but still able to

[RBW] Re: Set-up matters

Looks real nice!! Always glad to see a Rambouillet!!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

Yes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: FS: Albastache, Nitto, Brooks, B+M, Sugino, MKS, Tektro, tubes, tires, etc.

Bump and price reductions. I THINK they are super reasonable considering they include shipping. Discounts still apply to multiples. -Clever Cycles Tire Levers/Chain quick link tool- really cool levers that link together to make a chain quick link remover. the company only sells these in sets

[RBW] Re: Bags for light touring on my Cheviot - Sackville BackaBike

I am a big fan of these bags. If you think you might have a reason to take them on and off frequently on the trip, I would say look elsewhere. If you need huge amounts of room, or like lots of different pockets and dividers and such, don't get 'em. If you get bad luck and it rains hours on end

[RBW] Bags for light touring on my Cheviot - Sackville BackaBike

The Backabike is brilliant and simple and will do exactly what you want. They replace the TourSack panniers, which are one unit with both panniers connected my a middle fabric that rides on top of the rack. There are other differences, but not significant ones. With abandon, Patrick -- You

[RBW] Bags for light touring on my Cheviot - Sackville BackaBike

Hi folks, As the year is coming to an end, my thoughts are moving forward -- planning for some quality riding with my son (19 years old) next summer. He and I rode the Erie Canal Trail together a few years ago. We are contemplating a similar ride in 2018 - somewhere in New York, Ohio, Penna

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

Twenty five years ago I was racing in the sf Bay Area on a Nobilette built frame with down tube shifters, medium reach brakes and 36 spoke wheels with box section (albeit tubular) rims. In my mind it was a striped down racer then and I would still consider that bike one today. Of course

[RBW] PSA: 60cm Ram on SF CL

Public Service Announcement. This isn't my listing, but I thought someone might be interested. No relation to the seller, etc. This is a blue 60cm Rivendell Rambouillet, but it might be hard to find, since it's listed as a Rivendale Rambovillet. The seller is asking $1500 for the complete

[RBW] Re: Several things I saw at Blue Lug

gawd, those guys are cool... On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 8:24:32 PM UTC-5, Takashi wrote: > > Last weekend I visited Blue Lug (a Riv dealer store in Tokyo), and saw > several things that might be of interest to people here. > > Frank Jones frames: > Blue Lug has 3 stores, and I saw them

[RBW] Re: Several things I saw at Blue Lug

gawd those guys are cool ... On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 8:24:32 PM UTC-5, Takashi wrote: > > Last weekend I visited Blue Lug (a Riv dealer store in Tokyo), and saw > several things that might be of interest to people here. > > Frank Jones frames: > Blue Lug has 3 stores, and I saw them

Re: [RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

Patrick, my Roadeo is built up with Campy 10 Speed brifters and lightweight pacenti wheels and supple tires. My Roadini is built up with 8 Speed DT shifters, box rims and 32 pasela tires. So, the comparison is influenced more by components than frame design. I liken the Roadini to the San

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

I haven’t raced in over twenty years, but when I did it was not with DT shifters, 32 Paselas, and 36 spoke box rims. So, in my mind the Roadini is not a “stripped down racer.” I can put fenders, lights and a rack on it, but that doesn’t make it a randonnuese or touring bike either. YMMV. --

[RBW] Re: Set-up matters

Bruce, Indeed, set up can change everything. Your Ram looks like a completely different bike. Along with the high bars I bet those wider rims and tires (26"?) give a significantly different feel. Did you ever get the Ram repainted? Best regards, Richard On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at

Re: [RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

In rainy Portland I wear out my front pads about once a season. So far my sintered disc pads are on track to wear out at about the same rate, perhaps a little faster. The difference is that with rim brakes I can check their status whenever I look down at a stop light. I know when they’re going to

Re: [RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

When was the last time you had to replace a pair of caliper brake pads on the road because you wore them out during a ride?  I usually get years-to-decades from mine. On 12/27/2017 06:19 PM, William Henderson wrote: Yikes! I keep spare pads in my patch kit because it’s hard to watch pad wear

Re: [RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

Yikes! I keep spare pads in my patch kit because it’s hard to watch pad wear so I’m paranoid about wearing a pair out during a ride. Now I have another reason to! Out of curiosity, what sort of material were the pads? I’ve broken resin-type pads while inserting them before but sintered pads seem

[RBW] Re: where is frame size shown?

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[RBW] Re: where is frame size shown?

I'd love a 54 in orange but no $$$. Too bad your not looking to trade for newish condition Bleriot with 2 new cockpit setups -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

[RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

Uh, I had a simple flat fix turn complicated when I replaced the front wheel in the fork, missing the gap between the pads in the caliper by a smidge and shearing the pad's braking material off the backer plate. That's not a roadside repair unless you carry a replacement pair in your bag.

[RBW] Set-up matters

Here is a Flickr link. Maybe it will be better: https://www.flickr.com/photos/9535930@N07/38632126094 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

Patrick, in my experience (Avid BB7, Shimano something mechanical, TRP Spyke, and Shimano M6xxx hydros), the Shimano hydros never seem to have significant rubbing, while the Avids and Shimano mechs seem to end up rubbing quite often. Not much time on the TRPs yet to see where they land. Has

Re: [RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

I expect your difference in experience has less to do with the caliper (BB7s vs Klampers are similar designs) and more to do with your dropouts or perhaps your skewers. The problem is caused by slight differences in how the wheel is seated before and after you remove the wheel. With rim brakes,

[RBW] Re: Bullnose bars for long gravel rides?

I struggled with numbness when I had them on the Hunq with cork grips. Changing to cheaply rubber grips eliminated the problem on short, non-aggressive rides. On the gravel and 4 wheel drive roads in Death Valley with several mile long, 4-8% climbs/descents (at least with my skill and fitness,

Re: [RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

Love my disc brakes. Low level Deore Shimano hydros. I’ve never done anything to them except change the pads - they came on the bike and I’ve swapped bars and wheelsizes and forks an never had an issue. Definitely the best brakes for any sort of “terrain” riding. I’m very happy the hydros came

Re: [RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

Eric: question about hydraulics versus cable. I've read in more than one place opinions by experienced disc brake users that, when it comes to pad rub and adjustment to avoid it, there is little difference between hydraulic and at least the better cable systems (I include BB7s in this last

Re: [RBW] Re: External bearing? Pah! Isis? Sheesh! Square taper? Pooh!

I made two very valiant efforts to love moustache bars, but failed both times. I love the aesthetics, but just couldn’t get comfortable on them. OTOH, I have a Pashley Guvnor with “North Road” bars that work very well for me, and I had a former bike with “Midge” bars (similar to moustache bars)

[RBW] Re: where is frame size shown?

That would require raising that aesthetically challenged stem even further. The seatpost looks fine, a handful plus; this post does not have a nice flow, and the color changes 2/3 of the way up, where the head is pressed in, making it appear shorter than it is. I remember in grade school

Re: [RBW] Re: External bearing? Pah! Isis? Sheesh! Square taper? Pooh!

e-Ritchie is in on it, apparently, so you know it will be good. Whatever they produce, I'm sure it will be very nice and very expensive. I'd love an heirloom frame, like the 1953 Rudge posted on iBob today, with a pair of top line cottered cranks and top line quill pedals, to go with my AM hub,

[RBW] FS: OT Leather Goods.

As an update, everything ordered has been mailed out, unless you asked to wait due to holidays/our-of-town. I’ve added a few more wallets that are new design prototypes in the closeout listing: http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/leather-goods-closeouts Due to the large amount of orders

[RBW] Re: External bearing? Pah! Isis? Sheesh! Square taper? Pooh!

yep, they are teasing. maybe they'll actually show something come the new year, right now all i see is hype -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

I don’t have any disk-equipped bikes. I rode one a few times before deciding not to buy it (for reasons that had nothing to do with the brakes.) One downside that would affect me is that the wheels would not interchange with any of my existing bikes. I can move around wheels in my existing

Re: [RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

I think hydraulic disc brakes would address most of your concerns: - the pads basically stay centered, so wheel removal is easy - once they're set up, maintenance basically involves changing the pads when needed (this takes about one minute). Yes, I guess you could bleed them every year, but so

[RBW] External bearing? Pah! Isis? Sheesh! Square taper? Pooh!

>From a post on Classics Rendezvous sit up straight, take a deep breath, and hold on to your hat: *Chater Lea is coming back!!!* *https://chaterlea.com/ * Patrick "now, *that *would fit with that AM" Moore -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that

Re: [RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

Not me, not with discs, as long as you don't slam the pads when inserting the rotor, or bash the rotor against a convenient rock or tree, and bend it. I've had to adjust V brakes and cantis and single pivots more often in such circs than discs. This is my experience, and I've learned to insert the

[RBW] Re: Bullnose bars for long gravel rides?

I had a pair on my old S coupled Saluki paired with cork grips. Let me say, they looked great but were totally uncomfortable after a few miles. Maybe with Ergon grips they'd be better but forget pairing with cork grips. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: [RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

If your hands are getting dirty from the rims when you remove your wheels, then you are collecting a lot of aluminum dust on the rims -- not at all good! Even if the dirt were only road grit, still, that has obvious implications for you rims' life. I've probably fixed more roadside flats than any

Re: [RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

Do you have to adjust pads when you R the wheels? On 12/27/2017 02:52 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: I personally find removing and re-installing wheels roadside at least as easy with discs as with calipers or cantis or V brakes, perhaps easier. I'd call this one an easy draw. On Wed, Dec 27,

Re: [RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

I personally find removing and re-installing wheels roadside at least as easy with discs as with calipers or cantis or V brakes, perhaps easier. I'd call this one an easy draw. On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 12:32 PM, William! wrote: > Hard to say one is easier than the

Re: [RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

I *mean;* I see no reason why Rivendell shouldn't stick to rim brakes ... On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: [...] I see no reason why Rivendell might stick with calipers; -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW

Re: [RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

I think it was you who shared with me the photo of your wonderfully repaired, disc-equipped, and repainted Atlantis -- as good as new and then some, IMO. I see no reason why Rivendell might stick with calipers; but I don't think at all that adding a disc brake off road model to their line would

[RBW] Re: where is frame size shown?

Yeah, I have the exact same bike/frame from the same period and it's a 54. Looking at the pics of this one, the distance from the pump peg on the head tube to the lower lug is greater than the distance from the peg to the top lug. The distance on mine is equal for both. Therefore, I'm

[RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

Hard to say one is easier than the other. Fixing a flat is harder with discs but gets your hands a lot less dirty (a big deal for me). Adjustments with discs are somewhat easier (with Klampers anyway) but you do it somewhat more often. Replacing disc pads is simpler but requires taking the

[RBW] Bullnose bars for long gravel rides?

I find they're great in the application of rigid MTB. However for road use I found them to be overly stiff. If I'm riding plush tires I want a plus bar. Or at least not one that's noticeably stiff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch"

[RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

Roadside maintenance easier on rim or disc brakes? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to

[RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

Apologies for resurrecting such a stale thread with a giant post, please feel free to ignore while I add yet another two cents to the discussion… The reason I've always been attracted to Rivendell bikes is their resistance to the general trend of making bikes more complicated then they need to

Re: [RBW] Re: Low Trail 61 cm Atlantis frame, fork and CK headset for sale - 700c

Hi Tom, The short version of the story (you can look for the long versions by searching for my old posts) is that when riding my Atlantis initially with a medium saddlebag for my commute, I discovered it would shimmy when going faster, especially on slight downhills. A search online for shimmy

Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

To add yet another datapoint: I also prefer riding Noodles to any swept-back bar. On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 9:23 AM, lum gim fong wrote: > So I converted the Bleriot to upright so I could ride wifespeeds without > hand discomfort that comes with riding that slow for an

[RBW] Set-up matters

Bruce- Would you repost your photo or send it to me directly (Beewak-at-gmail)? It shows an error when I click the link in your post. I am going to be mixing up my ride soon and am seriously considering flipping my m-bars and would love to see how you did it and how the ergonomics look on

[RBW] Re: where is frame size shown?

Ny guess is 54 or 56. The tape will tell. Should be very easy to sell on this forum!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

I'm still dialing in a 55cm Cheviot. This helped be a lot and I am getting close. http://zedmartinez.com/2016/06/rivendell-clem-smith-jr/ *I* like the Bosco bars on it and have a 120 cm stem. I also have the stoker knobs but have not installed them yet. I may have to move the saddle back a bit.

[RBW] Re: where is frame size shown?

It's either a 56cm or 54cm by the looks of the headtube. Orange is the best color! -Dave On Tuesday, December 26, 2017 at 3:53:18 PM UTC-5, Jamie Poolos wrote: > > Hi, any idea where on the frame the size might be shown? Specifically, for > a Rambouillet about 12 years old. -- You received

[RBW] Re: where is frame size shown?

Geometry sheet here http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/ram_17sm.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Low Trail 61 cm Atlantis frame, fork and CK headset for sale - 700c

Hey René, I'm curious about the low trail fork, what you expected out of it vs. the stock fork, and how it ended up affecting handling of this bike. Thanks. It's a beautiful bike. Happy (almost) new year to you, too! Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

[RBW] Re: FS: S!LVER double crank with guard

Darn I wish I had seen this post earlier. I'm working on converting my Sam into a Rando-ish bike. Looking for the same cranks. On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 10:07:44 AM UTC-5, Wally Estrella wrote: > > NNS -New New Stock :) > > For Sale: S!LVER double crank set with guard, 173s. Got'm

[RBW] Re: where is frame size shown?

Very nice - I like that orange! I hope I'm riding at 87 - sheesh - that's awesome. Very sorry he had to give up riding... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

[RBW] Set-up matters

Some comments on another thread comparing 3 RBW models made me think of a recent change I did. At the point where I want a really comfortable bike to dink around on, I re-did my venerable old Rambouillet. The noodle handlebar came off in favor of reversed mustache bars (which results in a much