Re: [RBW] Any benefits to the longer CS's?

2016-06-30 Thread Eric Daume
I have a Jones Plus, and "super easy" is an exaggeration for me. I can lift the front wheel, but it doesn't pop up nearly as readily as, for instance, my Karate Monkey. That being said, the long chain stays are great for stability, balance, climbing, and descending. Eric On Thursday, June 30, 20

Re: [RBW] Any benefits to the longer CS's?

2016-06-15 Thread masmojo
Steve, it's easy to see the added strength needed if you look around at many disk brake frames they frequently have either very substantial rear drop outs or a small tube or loop on the brake side that goes from the chain stay to the seat stay. As for the spelling I try to stay on top of it, but

[RBW] Any benefits to the longer CS's?

2016-06-13 Thread RJM
Off road I feel they are a detriment especially when riding single track. Getting a manual or wheelie happening (a skill used to pop over logs, ext.) is not very easy with a long chain stay bike. But extra cargo capacity and probably stability are pros, I suppose. They will probably help with a

[RBW] Any benefits to the longer CS's?

2016-06-13 Thread Richard Rios
On road they are fine. Very laid back feeling, smooth and what others mentioned. Off road I found I didn't like them so much especially if paired with a long top tube and non swept back bars. My impression was it made it to hard to get the front wheel up to go over obstacles so I ended up plowin

Re: [RBW] Any benefits to the longer CS's?

2016-06-13 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 06/13/2016 06:55 PM, masmojo wrote: I agree, stays need to be made stronger as well, which kind of flys in the face of arguments against disk brakes. One of the arguments against disc brakes is that fork blades need to be made more rigid. I've never seen anything like that mentioned wi

[RBW] Any benefits to the longer CS's?

2016-06-13 Thread David Banzer
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[RBW] Any benefits to the longer CS's?

2016-06-13 Thread David Banzer
It's really comfy, noticeably so. Increased clearance for panniers. Not a minor detail at all - Clem is first bike I've been able to ride without clearance for rear panniers. Can fit big tires without crazy chainstay denting and curving. Playing on that, can fit regular road cranks with large t

[RBW] Any benefits to the longer CS's?

2016-06-13 Thread masmojo
I agree, stays need to be made stronger as well, which kind of flys in the face of arguments against disk brakes. Makes frame more flexy. Only two real advantages and they are minor, first increased heal clearance for rear panniers/ cargo and a minor increase in stability. That said there equa

[RBW] Any benefits to the longer CS's?

2016-06-13 Thread Lungimsam
More rivmodels headed that way. Cant think of any benefits other than stability, which rivs already have plenty of, off top of my head. Was wondering what makes it worth the extra weight, 2 chains needed, and less maneuverability due to longer bike length in garages, near bike racks, BARTs, car