Re: [RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Zack wrote: > went back in today, mechanic said "you taught me something yesterday." > > ahah. > > 4.8!!! > > good times. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from thi

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went back in today, mechanic said "you taught me something yesterday." ahah. 4.8!!! good times. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-o

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I actually just changed a 9sp cassette for a 7sp, and the shifting got way worse. I think maybe the cassette isn't on tight. 9sp = 12-25 7sp = 12-32 Right now I'm practicing saying, as casually as possible, "Seven speed is five-point-oh, eight speed is four-point-eight." Common knowledge. Ever

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Re: [RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

5.0 vs 4.8mm Wars have been fought over 0.2mm. cc On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Zack wrote: > So I have some stuff going on that makes working on the bike less of an > option, took it into local shop that helped me out by grinding down the > spacer on the first swap. > > First experience wa

[RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

So I have some stuff going on that makes working on the bike less of an option, took it into local shop that helped me out by grinding down the spacer on the first swap. First experience was awesome, dude was chill and helped. This time: Me: "I want to swap this cassette out for a 7 speed..."

[RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

My guess is Shimano has multiple vendors making cassettes. I've seen them with both rivets and allen head screws. The rivets come off easily enough with either a cold chisel or a file. I've had some that were like butter, one whack & the head popped off. Others only responded to grinding. I

Re: [RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

Dude you cold formed the spacer? BAD ASS! On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > Beautiful! Enjoy! > > With abandon, > Patrick > > > On Friday, April 25, 2014 12:04:52 PM UTC-6, Zack wrote: >> >> So it was, after all, the rivets. They aren't hex screws any more. The >> riv

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Beautiful! Enjoy! With abandon, Patrick On Friday, April 25, 2014 12:04:52 PM UTC-6, Zack wrote: > > So it was, after all, the rivets. They aren't hex screws any more. The > rivets were not allowing the spacer to do it's job properly, resulting in > some wobble in the cassette. Since I tight

[RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

So it was, after all, the rivets. They aren't hex screws any more. The rivets were not allowing the spacer to do it's job properly, resulting in some wobble in the cassette. Since I tightened the living snot out of the cassette (a different story for a different time, but, suffice to say, the

Re: [RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

I had that issue once, and it was because the cassette wasn't on tight enough. There was wiggle room between the small cog and lockring. In my case, it was because I was trying to use a Hyperglide lockring and small cog on a Uniglide hub. With the proper small cog and lockring, the chatter went

[RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

+1. I find that if I eyeball my limit screw on the small-cog end, that I need to back off the H limit screw another quarter turn or so to quiet it down in that cog. Set up "correctly" and quietly the R Der looks like it's going a little bit beyond the small cog. On Wednesday, April 23, 2014

Re: [RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

I don't think he means low-trail vs. high-trail chatter, I think he means metal on metal chatter. On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Philip Williamson < philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote: > More adjustment screw adjusting? I don't know exactly what you mean by > "chatter," but maybe you need to

[RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

More adjustment screw adjusting? I don't know exactly what you mean by "chatter," but maybe you need to let the rear derailleur come down a little further? Philip www.biketinker.com On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 5:10:47 PM UTC-7, Zack wrote: > > so i am all set up with the 7 speed cassette, but

[RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

Maybe a rack or fender bolt? Sometimes they stick out to the inside enough to get in the way. You'll need to set-up the bike so you can turn the pedals while you look at the area of the noise. dougP On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 6:18:36 PM UTC-7, Zack wrote: > chatter: it sounds like the chai

[RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

looks to me like cassette is riveted together upon first inspection. isn't a fender or rack screw, everything seems good there. i think this one is going to need a visit to the LBS. I'll report back on what it was. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group

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Have you tried it without the spacer? I was running a 13-34 7 speed cassette on a 9 speed Ultegra hub and I seem to remember that it tightened up fine without a spacer. IanA/Canada On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 6:10:47 PM UTC-6, Zack wrote: > > so i am all set up with the 7 speed cassette, but

Re: [RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

If that cassette is held together with screws or rivets they will need to be removed. The heads of the screws or rivets take up a little room bearing on the spacer and cause the outermost cog to be too far outboard. You are probably hearing the chain rubbing on the dropout. It's happened to m

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Too tight against a fender or rack screw? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this grou

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chatter: it sounds like the chain is rubbing against something, but i can't see where it's happening. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-ow

Re: [RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

What kind of chatter? On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Zack wrote: > so i am all set up with the 7 speed cassette, but am having an issue I > can't figure out. > > I picked up the 13-34 7 speed cassette, a 4.5mm spacer, and a shimano hg91 > 7/8 speed chain. put the spacer on behind the cassett

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If you get any good at implementing that advice, let me know your secret, Zack! Chagrined grin. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 6:40:54 PM UTC-6, Zack wrote: > > and there's deacon patrick with the best advice i have ever received on > the site :-) without bugaboos how would w

[RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

and there's deacon patrick with the best advice i have ever received on the site :-) without bugaboos how would we know how awesome it is when everything works! (any help with the cassette/drivetrain bugaboo also welcome) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google G

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No idea, Zack, but I feel your pain. The best solution I know whilst waiting for the solution is to embrace the pain as PART of new drivetrain day. Grin. With abandon, Patrick, who isn't really helpful. On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 6:10:47 PM UTC-6, Zack wrote: > > so i am all set up with the 7 s

[RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

so i am all set up with the 7 speed cassette, but am having an issue I can't figure out. I picked up the 13-34 7 speed cassette, a 4.5mm spacer, and a shimano hg91 7/8 speed chain. put the spacer on behind the cassette, tightened the cassette, adjusted rear derailer limit screws, and everythin

Re: [RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

When I built up my Road as a 650B, I used a NOS Shimano Uniglide 7 speed. It's worked fine since day 1, although replacement cassettes are hard to find. When I saw one at Loose Screws, I picked it up for shelf stock. On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > Since that first long

[RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

Since that first longer ride with a few ghost shifts, I have not had any ghost shifting at all, no matter the gear (including the previously problematic smallest cog). That mini-cog swap fix works fantastically! With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to t

Re: [RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

Bah! Until I forget it a few days from now, it will be the Chris Maneuver. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 12:41:18 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote: > > BTW I got it from > http://uptownbikinglife.blogspot.com/2013/12/friction-shifter-joy-part-deux.html > > > On Wed, A

Re: [RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

BTW I got it from http://uptownbikinglife.blogspot.com/2013/12/friction-shifter-joy-part-deux.html On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > Following up on the "Chris Maneuver." On my wee hour ride today shifting > remains wonderfully crisp. I did get a couple of skips in my sm

[RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

Following up on the "Chris Maneuver." On my wee hour ride today shifting remains wonderfully crisp. I did get a couple of skips in my smallest cog, but far, far fewer than before the mini-cog swap. The high gear is ridable now vs. unridable before, any only 3 skips in 5 miles (but all downhill,

[RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

Zack: That's the cassette that came on my Atlantis. I rarely used the 11 so it was like a 7 speed with a long, tall overdrive. The 13-34 will be quite similar. You give up the 11 for slightly wider cog spacing and slightly thicker cogs. Side note on small cog sizes: my wife's Atlantis ha

Re: [RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 6:56:49 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On 04/15/2014 07:35 PM, Eric Peterson wrote: > > I think you cannot go wrong with the HG41 cassettes. They are very > reasonably priced and maybe a bit sturdier than the HG50: > HG > 41

Re: [RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

I was having some shifting problems and found a sticky pulley. I diagnosed it but the chain catching when spinning the pedals backward. I cleaned it up (2.5 Allen I think to take it apart) and got it spinning freely. Of course I had ready bought replacements, but have those for the next time

Re: [RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

On 04/15/2014 07:35 PM, Eric Peterson wrote: I think you cannot go wrong with the HG41 cassettes. They are very reasonably priced and maybe a bit sturdier than the HG50: HG 41 (11-

[RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

I think you cannot go wrong with the HG41 cassettes. They are very reasonably priced and maybe a bit sturdier than the HG50: HG 41(11-28 cassette). Recently I switched to using th

[RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

So we're riding the same set up, Zack. I'll be curious to hear if the "Chris maneuver" works for you. I'm hoping my brain is up for a real ride tomorrow so I can test mine out! Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 5:09:00 PM UTC-6, Zack wrote: > > "big guy living in Portland w

[RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

"big guy living in Portland with friends who like to ride hills" sums it up nicely. pretty sure I have 11-32 8 speed cassettes on both bikes. standard xd2 triple setup from Riv. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscr

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Zack: What cassette are you using now? What's your tooth range? Standard Riv spec 24/36/46 chainrings? Swapping out cassettes is the same procedure, and you will need an "8 to 7 spacer" to fill the gap. Chains are the same. The beauty of this is that you can go back to 8 if 7 doesn't work

RE: [RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

Biketinker, a shadow of his former self… From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Philip Williamson Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 6:08 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question Have you tried

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Have you tried indexed shifting? I had some trouble getting good shifts friction-shifting a 9sp cassette, and went to a 7, since my bar-end shifters will index in 7. Shifting improved, but is now fine in friction, too. I also I got a new (used) rear derailleur with a MUCH stronger spring. I re

Re: [RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

Wow! Thank you, Chris, Shoji, and Skenry! I haven't ridden much (just a few mile test ride), but for the first time in a very long time I have my smallest cog back without any skipping (and three LBS's failed to figure out the problem). Shifting felt much crisper as well. I was doubtful as I wa

Re: [RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

On 04/15/2014 05:00 PM, Zack wrote: So back to the original question about cassette choices, I see three shimanos that seem to fit the bill for me. It's difficult for me to visualize what the real-life on-bike difference would be, beyond what the top and bottom gears would seem like. So "bi

Re: [RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

None of these have "big jumps". 4-5 teeth is fine. The CG has the tightest, closest spread, and the differences between the K and DF are pretty small. I'd get the cassette that has the size of big cog you want: 30, 32, or 34? I dislike the gearing on my Shimano Mega Range freewheel, 14-16-18-20

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I have a 64cm Sam and a 62cm Hunq, I am guessing flame flex is most likely not the problem. So back to the original question about cassette choices, I see three shimanos that seem to fit the bill for me. It's difficult for me to visualize what the real-life on-bike difference would be, beyond

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I'm going to humbly suggest what may be an unpopular suggestion, but Zack I think you already diagnosed your problem and I suspect the switch you are proposing won't solve your problem. You're a big guy, pedaling uphill. My guess is your frame flex in this situations is causing the ghost shifts

Re: [RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

Deacon, Its worth a try, and yes, its really just that easy. The top pulley has a little wiggle room, to help the pulley line up with the cog for index shifts. The lower pulley is rigid. It SHOULD give a more precise friction shift. Swap them and try. Its can't hurt at all. From memory, I

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Do tell more about the pulley swap! Is it really so simple as swapping the pulleys? Nothing else to it? With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 1:47:09 PM UTC-6, Zack wrote: > > Shoji - Yep, Chris suggested this to me as well, we talked it over on our > awesome ride out to Mason Hill t

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Shoji - Yep, Chris suggested this to me as well, we talked it over on our awesome ride out to Mason Hill this weekend. I plan on doing the pulley swap regardless, but haven't done so yet. I am set on trying the 7 speed out, as it's time to swap cassettes and chains anyways, and I want to give

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Oops! Thanks Steve. On Tuesday, 15 April 2014 21:24:54 UTC+2, Steve Palincsar wrote: > The spacing between 7 and 8 is NOT identical. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving em

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On 04/15/2014 02:57 PM, Zack wrote: Deacon - I suspect most of this is due to me being "close" to being in gear but not actually in gear, after having eliminated all of the other known suspects (loose washer on silver shifters, bent derailer hanger, etc.). It happens at the start of climbs,

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On 04/15/2014 03:15 PM, Tom Harrop wrote: Hi Zack, I was having problems which chain skipping and ghost shifting, which were solved when I switched from 9 to 8 speed. However, I think the spacing on a 7 speed cassette is the same as on an 8 speed (someone correct me if I'm confused). If that'

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On 04/15/2014 02:18 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: Zack, I confirmed with Harris Cyclery that it is lower than the XT range. Here is the Harris link: http://harriscyclery.net/product/shimano-7-speed-cassette-hg50-13-34t-2847.htm Steve, if the difference is entirely cosmetic, I have no problem usi

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Hi Zack, I think Chris Chen suggested in another thread to swap the upper and lower derailer pulleys to reduce/eliminate ghost shifting. (Upper pulley floats in order to accommodate index shifting.) Did you also try this on your set up? --shoji On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 2:57:12 PM UTC-4, Zac

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I too will vouch for the 11t cog, works just great with mid-40's big rings. In fact, I just "recovered" an old STX hubbed MTB wheel with an awesome 11-28t cassette on it - working great w/ a 44/30 double. =- Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA On 4/15/14, Deacon Patrick wrote: > On Tuesday, April 15, 20

[RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

Hi Zack, I was having problems which chain skipping and ghost shifting, which were solved when I switched from 9 to 8 speed. However, I think the spacing on a 7 speed cassette is the same as on an 8 speed (someone correct me if I'm confused). If that's true I don't know if changing between the

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I do like to coast on descents as well. Many times I can coast faster than other people can pedal. However, if the group I am riding with starts pulling away then I will pedal. Or, if they got ahead of me on the ascent, then I will pedal on the descent to catch up. On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 2:08

[RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 1:01:23 PM UTC-6, Zack wrote: > as Andy says, a gentleman doesn't pedal on descents. > Descents on pavement often are more fun pedaling, but on dirt and single track, at least around here, there is very little reason to pedal unless your goal is to kill yourself or

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ahah the 11 tooth cog is indeed not used often by me - I am a master coasting descender due to my almost peerless ability to create momentum with my big size on my go-fast Rivs. also, as Andy says, a gentleman doesn't pedal on descents. -- You received this message because you are subscribed

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Deacon - I suspect most of this is due to me being "close" to being in gear but not actually in gear, after having eliminated all of the other known suspects (loose washer on silver shifters, bent derailer hanger, etc.). It happens at the start of climbs, and is worse when the bike is loaded

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Could you describe the problem you are having specifically? Under what circumstances do you ghost shift? I have some ghost shifting with my 8 also, but I don't remember the precise circumstances under which it happens. It's not the biggest rear cog though, which leads me to suspect my ability t

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I already have 8 speed cassettes, made the switch to those during the last drivetrain overhaul, still have the same problems. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

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Zack, I confirmed with Harris Cyclery that it is lower than the XT range. Here is the Harris link: http://harriscyclery.net/product/shimano-7-speed-cassette-hg50-13-34t-2847.htm Steve, if the difference is entirely cosmetic, I have no problem using it. Do you say this from personal experience?

Re: [RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

You can use your existing chain on a 7 speed cassette with no problem. It's only a problem going the other way: 6/7/8 speed chain is too wide for 9/10/11 speed cassettes. On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > Zack, > > Here is a Shimano 7-speed 13t-34t cassette I've wondere

Re: [RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

On 04/15/2014 01:58 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: Zack, Here is a Shimano 7-speed 13t-34t cassette I've wondered about, but I'm not sure if it is up to Deore XT quality: http://www.amazon.com/Shimano-HG50-7-Speed-Cassette/dp/B00393913M HG50 is below the XT level. That used to be 60 or 70, I can

[RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

Zack, Here is a Shimano 7-speed 13t-34t cassette I've wondered about, but I'm not sure if it is up to Deore XT quality: http://www.amazon.com/Shimano-HG50-7-Speed-Cassette/dp/B00393913M I've been wondering if the answer to simplicity I'm seeking may be going with seven speed rather than droppin