[RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-12 Thread Leslie
Yep! Born and raised here in Kingsport, moved off for college but ended up back here. I've been shopping at MSL for over 30 years. A lot of my old boy- scout stuff came from that store, the old Blue Hole we have came from there. Lots of nice Rivs at MSL.They have a Bleriot there (well, last

Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-12 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote: Lots of nice Rivs at MSL.    They have a Bleriot there (well, last time I was in), amongst the Rams and AHHs and Hillbournes. They have an Atlantis built up, but it was small for me.  Steve and Bobby are good fellas.   I

[RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-12 Thread Tim McNamara
On Jan 11, 2010, at 3:16 PM, Anthony Castellino wrote: This is all very good info! Trying to piece it all together...seems best place to start is with the Serial Number...but, where is the Serial Number? I looked under the bottom bracket, all that found is RIVENDELL engraved... Here is

[RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-12 Thread Leslie
EH is a nice school. An old friend teaches geology there. Harvest Table in Meadowview is a great restaurant (don't know if it was there when you were thee or not). I like this idea of East Coasters with limited access to RBW ; great concept! ECWLARBW Put me down for it! On Jan 12, 9:28 

Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-12 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote: EH is a nice school. An old friend teaches geology there.  Harvest Table in Meadowview is a great restaurant (don't know if it was there when you were thee or not). EH is certainly a school. We'll ignore all other

Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-12 Thread Wade Vidal
are the ones at mtn sports complete or f/f? - Original Message - From: Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J

Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-12 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Wade Vidal wvwheel...@comcast.net wrote: are the ones at mtn sports complete or f/f? I believe at the moment they have both. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send

Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-12 Thread Wade Vidal
better leave room in the fit for a new frame - Original Message - From: Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Wade Vidal wvwheel

Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-12 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Wade Vidal wvwheel...@comcast.net wrote: better leave room in the fit for a new frame No no. It would need to be a spectacular deal. Nothing gets bought until AFTER nahbs. :) and the fit has plenty of room. :) -sv -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread Esteban
Cheers to that! Esteban San Diego, Calif On Jan 11, 7:19 am, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com wrote: I can see how (I mean, clearly see how) it could sound like we're thru with the AHH, but it's not so. Only the Japanese ones. Toyo has never made them bigger than 58, anyway..and Wford has

[RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread JoelMatthews
Grant: Thanks for clearing this up. Double thanks for your committment to the AHH. The Hilsen is one of those rare products that does a lot of things and does each one of those things as good or better than the various niche specialists. On Jan 11, 9:19 am, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com

[RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread Jeremy Till
Sorry folks, i guess i was under the impression that all AHH's were currently built by Toyo. Thanks for the clarification, Grant- now I can continue my fantasies of one day owning one, and a Waterford built one no less! (phd graduation present in ~8 yrs?) On Jan 11, 7:19 am, Grant Petersen

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2010-01-11 Thread franklyn
will waterford build 650b version of AHH as well, or will the smaller sizes get 700c instead? Franklyn On Jan 11, 10:00 am, Jeremy Till jeremy.t...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry folks, i guess i was under the impression that all AHH's were currently built by Toyo.  Thanks for the clarification,

[RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread Mike
Toyo has never made them bigger than 58, anyway..and Wford has never made them smaller than 57. Hmmm. I have a 63cm Hilsen that I could swear is made by Toyo. It doesn't really matter to me who made it, the bike is great. I'm glad it's staying in the line-up. --mike -- You received this

Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread Anthony Castellino
I asked where mine was made...I 'promise' I read the initial email from Grant with the size (cm) vs location...I happen to have a 57cm... Toyo has never made them bigger than 58, anyway..and Wford has never made them smaller than 57. ...seems the 57 was made in both locations?? I only have 2

[RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread Anthony (57cm AHH)
Is there any way to tell if my AHH was made at Toyo or Waterford? I 'heard' if there are only 2 mounts for water bottles, then it is Waterford. If there are 3 mounts, the 3rd underneath, it is from Toyo... Is this accurate? Are there any other identifiers? Many thanks! On Jan 11, 7:19 am,

Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread Bill Connell
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Anthony (57cm AHH) rubiconmanagem...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any way to tell if my AHH was made at Toyo or Waterford? I 'heard' if there are only 2 mounts for water bottles, then it is Waterford. If there are 3 mounts, the 3rd underneath, it is from

Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread CycloFiend
on 1/11/10 10:56 AM, Anthony (57cm AHH) at rubiconmanagem...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any way to tell if my AHH was made at Toyo or Waterford? I 'heard' if there are only 2 mounts for water bottles, then it is Waterford. If there are 3 mounts, the 3rd underneath, it is from Toyo...

[RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread Mike
Mine, a 63cm, has three water bottle mounts and is the Toyo blue as opposed to the softer blue of the Waterford Hilsens. I don't think Grant's statement is entirely accurate. I think there was a thing in the reader that had the introduction for the Hilsen that said they were being made at both

RE: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Racers, and apparently the polishing machine at Paul broke. Sigh -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 2:42 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: I ordered an AHH 61cm in November, and Keven told me I had my choice of Toyo or Waterford.  We debated pros and cons, and I chose the Waterford (MUSA and all that).  So it would seem there are 61cm

RE: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Broken polishing machines? -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Seth Vidal Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 2:52 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever On Mon

Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: Broken polishing machines? No - I mean a bike taking a couple of months. It does keep a certain amount of 'impulse buy' out of it. Then I again I just recently talked to the folks at Mountain Sports Ltd

RE: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: Broken polishing machines? No - I mean a bike taking a couple of months. It does keep a certain amount of 'impulse

Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: I assume one has your name on it? Not as yet, I'd like to verify that the 61 is right versus the 59 first. But I'll be travelling NEARISH bristol in 2 weeks so I might force myself to stop by. The

RE: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
: Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: I assume one has your name on it? Not as yet, I'd like to verify that the 61 is right versus the 59 first. But I'll be travelling NEARISH bristol in 2 weeks so I

Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: Ex-ACT-ly!  http://www.flickr.com/photos/hiawathacyclery/2596158963/sizes/l/ something along those lines, yes. :) -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW

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2010-01-11 Thread newenglandbike
I am not positive that the Rivendell bikes always follow this- but I think the Waterford frames have serial numbers that begin with a single letter, from [A-M] (excluding 'I') followed by 5 digits.The letter represents the month it was made, from A=January to M=December, with no letter 'I'.

Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread Rene Sterental
When I bought my 61cm AHH in September, I was also offered the choice of Toyo or Waterford. I chose the Waterford one just because I liked the lighter colored blue better. As far as I know, the color is a sure give-away of the origin of the bike. Ligher blue = Waterford, darker blue = Toyo. There

[RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread Leslie
I've ridden one of the built 61 AHH's there, beautiful bike! That's where my 60 Ram is on layaway at the moment, getting closer to getting it On Jan 11, 2:55 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J Then I again I just recently

[RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread frank_a
The easy way to tell is by the rear dropouts. The Waterford dropout is very distinct style and it clearly has WATERFORD stamped on it. The serial number sequence is consistent with all Waterford built frames. My 59cm Waterford AHH had mounts for only two bottles. - Frank On Jan 11, 1:56 pm,

RE: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Seth Vidal Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:04 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: I assume one has

Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: Re your Atlantis, how does the 58cm fit?  What's your PBH?  The Atlantis I'm looking at is a 61cm, which is the size Hilsen Keven put me on, but I worry that with the fat tires the 61cm Atlantis might

RE: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: Re your Atlantis, how does the 58cm fit?  What's your PBH?  The Atlantis I'm looking at is a 61cm, which is the size Hilsen Keven put me on, but I worry

Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: Right -- but there are no dealers who have frames, let alone built bikes, anywhere near lil' ol' Delaware. I doubt I'll bid anywhere near high enough to get this Atlantis, so it's probably a moot

Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: Where are you -- in TN? Durham, NC -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to

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2010-01-11 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: Not TOO far from Renaissance Bikes? about 3-3.5 hours. I'm going up that way in the next couple of weeks and I hope to be able to drop by. However, as far as I know Renaissance carries only the sam and

[RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread Hondo
Last Friday I bought a Toyo 63cm. While in the house of Riv, I looked at a 61cm from Waterford. In addition to the different color, the Waterford-made AHH has a nicer rear dropout, stamped Waterford. Other than that, they are practically identical, this according to Kevin. On Jan 11, 10:56 am,

[RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread Leslie
...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Seth Vidal Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 5:10 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: Right -- but there are no dealers who have

[RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread EricP
] On Behalf Of Seth Vidal Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:04 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: I assume one has your name on it? Not as yet, I'd like

Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote: I think you were asking Seth, but, I'm in TN, about 30 min from MSL. Next town west. I assume that means you're in kingsport, right? I went to school in western VA so I travelled a fair bit around the western VA, NETN

Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread Anthony Castellino
This is all very good info! Trying to piece it all together...seems best place to start is with the Serial Number...but, where is the Serial Number? I looked under the bottom bracket, all that found is RIVENDELL engraved... Here is what I know: 1) Seems, so far, the 3 cage bosses are only on

Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Anthony Castellino rubiconmanagem...@gmail.com wrote: This is all very good info! Trying to piece it all together...seems best place to start is with the Serial Number...but, where is the Serial Number? I looked under the bottom bracket, all that found is

Re: [RBW] Re: AHH will go on forever

2010-01-11 Thread Brian Hanson
My 59cm AHH is a Waterford (stamped rear dropout) and has 3 cage bosses... Brian Seattle On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Anthony Castellino rubiconmanagem...@gmail.com wrote: This is all very good info! Trying to piece it all together...seems best place to start is with the Serial