Re: [RBW] Re: Another chain question

2018-06-04 Thread Patrick Moore
Michael: perhaps the difference is how free of grit chain is. I stopped using "oily" lube long ago, replacing it with paraffin, Pro Link, Purple Extreme, and the Orange Seal lube. These aren't nearly as clean as Molten Speed Wax (stupid name, great product), but they don't attract grit, and that se

Re: [RBW] Re: Another chain question

2018-06-04 Thread Michael Hechmer
I have never, ever been able to remove a Sram quick link by hand. In fact I can hardly open them with pliers. I have never failed to open a connex quick link by hand. So far I'm getting mixed reviews 0n the KMC, ranging from the RBW "best ever" to the LBS, "somewhere between Sram & Connex." Wi

Re: [RBW] Re: Another chain question

2018-06-04 Thread Patrick Moore
I've had very few problems removing SRAM masterlinks for 9 speed chains by hand; KMCs were a bit more finicky. I was surprised to find that I needed the pliers-like took for the 10 speed SRAM masterlinks, but I was told that SRAM deliberately changed the design with the 10 speed chains to make them

[RBW] Re: Another chain question

2018-06-04 Thread Garth
On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 7:13:07 AM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote: > I have been using the Conex 908 chains on all my bikes for many years and > like both the way they shift and that their quick link works so much better > than shimano & Sram links.  Now I see that the RBW site describes the KMC

[RBW] Re: Another chain question

2018-06-03 Thread Jeffrey Arita
Michael, We use SRAM and KMC 9 speed chains. Both shift well. Because I am frugal I made my own chain tools: Took a pair of small scissors and Dremeled out a radius on both blades of the scissors. Grab the chain with the 'tool', squeeze the links with your fingers and the chain breaks. You

[RBW] Re: Another chain question

2018-06-03 Thread RichS
The KMC chains have worked fine for me. The Park chain tool is most helpful at snapping the link in place or removing it. Best, Richard On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 7:13:07 AM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote: > > I have been using the Conex 908 chains on all my bikes for many years and > like both t