The Appaloosa doesn't climb more slowly than a road bike because of it's
length, it climbs more slowly because your body can not generate the same
amount of speed per watt with the riding position. This could be easily
demonstrated by riding the same slope 3 times with a power meter at a
I know of a number of people who don't mind friction shifting 10 or 11
speed. For me, i got tons of ghost shifting when i tried 10 speed with bar
ends. Especially in the little cogs, the chain really wanted to jump around
and the tweaking between gears was so minor that i went back to 9 speed.
All - This has been a highly educational discussion.
My intention is to have a cope out gear for those long rides when I am
already on mile 60-70 and then hit a an incline of 8%+. With my current
11-36 set up, I do find myself "maxed up" quite often on such a ride and
wishing for an extra gear
Kushan, I think a lot of these things people are mentioning are
unnecessary. Get the 10 speed wider-range cassette, put it on and ride it.
You use friction shifting, so you should be able to shift through all
those gears just fine without needing to buy other stuff. Maybe you'll
need a new
These are the SunRace one-at-a-time shifters, so not really indexing. The
GX derailer was originally paired with Shimano bar-ends and a Jtek pull
modifier when I had the bike set up with drops. I purchased it all from
Analog with advice from James. When I moved to the Jones H-Loop, I swapped
You got a 9spd SunRace shifter and cassette to index with a 10spd SRAM GX
derailer? How did you even think to try it??
On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 6:20:24 PM UTC-7 Erik wrote:
> Hi Kushan. I did something similar to the drivetrain on my Appaloosa last
> year. I have a 42 / 24 double up
One of the problems with using a dropout extender that moves the whole
derailleur down, to work with a larger cassette than the design spec, is
that the shifting becomes pretty bad in the smaller cogs, because the top
jockey pulley is now a considerable distance from those cogs.
Nick
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Hi Kushan. I did something similar to the drivetrain on my Appaloosa last
year. I have a 42 / 24 double up front and wanted an ultra-low bailout
gear in the back for loaded off-road riding / touring. I'm not a small man
and when I get the bike loaded with gear, it's nice to have something
I use a 10-speed friction drivetrain on my Roadeo. It has a Sugino Alpina
cranks with SRAM 11-28 and microshift friction bar-ends with Ultegra RD.
It shifts great.
Toshi
On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 12:43 PM Joe Bernard wrote:
> I think we've established that the 11-42 cassette, 10-speed chain
Oh, I meant Collin A in my reply !
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On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 5:36:09 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
> I think the point for Kushan is to have a slightly lower gear available
> and an 11-42 cassette can be sourced in a
I ran my MT as a quad for a very short time just to try it. I agree with
Patrick that the shifting was very finicky, I couldn't remember where I
was, and it was just overkill for my purposes. It was just a fun
experiment. I use MT as my granny for loaded off-road touring and it
worked very
The other nifty thing this does is make the bike essentially a 1x with
bailout. Most riding would be in the big ring with that cassette so there's
less fiddling with the front derailer.*
* Exposing my 1x bias, I dislike front derailers, my custom is a 36 x 11-50
11-speed SRAM shifter and
I think the point for Kushan is to have a slightly lower gear available and
an 11-42 cassette can be sourced in a parts shortage. It doesn't
necessarily mean the lowest gear will be used.
On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 2:02:18 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
> As Nick mentioned, 24/36 is already
"What's the point of being in paradise and be in a hurry to pass by/leave ?
I didn't realize that until I just stopped. Time, distance, space ... to
heck with all of it ! BEING is where it's at and enjoying It to the
fullest." - Garth
I needed that right now, thank you.
On Tuesday, October
As Nick mentioned, 24/36 is already very low and lower would be so slow
and/or unstable to keep a straight line that I'd ask myself "what the
point"? I'd rather walk up any such sections. I don't do it often but I've
done it in some places where the section of road/trail is very steep and
And, forgot to add: IME, the Barcons shift 10 cogs nicer than Silvers. My
experience.
On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 2:36 PM Patrick Moore wrote:
> I shift a non-standard 10-sp cassette (but more-or-less in-series Miche
> cogs) with Suntour Barcons and the shifting is excellent. This is a very
> close
I shift a non-standard 10-sp cassette (but more-or-less in-series Miche
cogs) with Suntour Barcons and the shifting is excellent. This is a very
close ratio cassette, though.
I'm using an 11-speed chain, per a tip from Bike Radar that a chain 1
generation ahead of the cassette allows crisper
Kind of depends on the shifter. I have silver 1s (2s will fit) on my Riv
Custom with 11 speeds. The 1s require more shifter rotation for the shift
- almost 180 degrees for all 11 gears, but it is easier to find the
individual gears instead of shifting two at a time. Gear to gear it is
similar
I think we've established that the 11-42 cassette, 10-speed chain and Wolf
Link is a fairly simple swap, the question is how will it shift. Has anyone
here friction-shifted 10-speed?
On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 12:10:25 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
> 30 and more years ago I tried a 16,
30 and more years ago I tried a 16, 17, or 18 t MT Quad with a 48/38/28
original Deore or Deore XT triple, and found the shifting so finicky that I
returned it. It would probably work best as a small granny added to a
double.
The maker still lives in Albuquerque as he did in 1989 or so when I
Kushan,
Sorry to hear of the laborious grinding on steep-but-not-so-steep climbs
with your Appaloosa. I have a similar feeling with mine and my theory is
that it has to do with the extra long chain flexing and stretching more and
transferring less of your foot force to the rear wheel. But that
I've never seen that thing before (Moutain Tamer)...Looks useful as long as
derailleurs can handle it.
Would be fun to make a quad , something like 46/34/26/18 with a 12-34 in
the rear ...no need for large cassette or roadlink device
On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 8:26:34 AM UTC-4 Bill
Michael - I already have a 24 tooth front chainring (as part of double) so
don't think it can go any lower.
Joe and Nick - Thanks! Based on the clearance, I also suspected that I
would need an extender for the derailer hanger.
Looking for others comments on impact of going from 9 to 10 speed.
What about a smaller chainring? I have a 32 tooth WolfTooth on my
Appaloosa.
On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 6:26:52 PM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
> I used a Goatlink (https://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/products/goatlink)
> when using a GRX 810 RD (rated for 34t cassette) with an 11-42 cassette
I used a Goatlink (https://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/products/goatlink)
when using a GRX 810 RD (rated for 34t cassette) with an 11-42 cassette and
two chainrings up front. But you need a shadow RD for that to work, which
yours isn't.
Nick
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Hi Kushan,
You're likely going to need this doohickey which drops the derailer down a
bit to clear the 42t, that Deore is rated to 36t (or 34 but works with 36)
and getting it to climb 6 more teeth is a tall order. And a 10-speed chain,
your 9-er won't fit between the narrower 10-speed cogs
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