Prices may be up, but I still think they are worth it, and I'd still buy at
that price.
I just finished a century on a 30 year old, laced up B17. Its not as
comfortable as my newer Team Pro, but can't complain, still pretty darn
good!
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I've lived on a steady diet of second hand, sub-500 mile B-17s that just
didn't work for somebody, so it need not be so cost prohibitive.
Tried a Selle Anatomica and, immediately comfy though it was, I felt like
I'd be out of tension bolt in three seasons.
Never sat on a Rivet or Berthoud or
Bill,
Thanks for the info. I've been doing my research and the Rivet looks
intriguing for all the reasons you describe. But I have to ask - When you
talk about contact with the inner thigh, is that the same as my issue where
saddle sores develop at the back of the thigh where it meets the
Matt,
If you look at an SA, a B17 and a Rivet Pearl from above, you'll see that
they are all about the same width at the widest part. The SA is nearly
triangular from nose to tail, the skirts are wide and flared but relatively
soft. The designer INTENDED for them to contact your inner thighs
Pics show what he's talkin' about:
http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/stonehog/sets/72157630878259856/
Mobile BH
On Dec 1, 2012, at 8:02 AM, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote:
Matt,
If you look at an SA, a B17 and a Rivet Pearl from above, you'll see that
they are all about the same width at
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:
. By the time you add in lycra
riding diapers, Brooks is a less expensive saddle. What surprises me is how
the word doesn't get out to the techy bike culture - of course, they're hung
up on grams.
Could it be that,
Anne: you probably haven't tried this one:
http://www.modernbike.com/itemgroup.asp?igpk=2126176114TID=367gclid=CKn0ybvG97MCFYVFMgodFTQAMQ
1630 grams -- notice how they didn't just say four pounds.
I don't like Brooks saddles, either -- not that I've not tried to --
but I find that my Flites
I don't see how a spring would address the issue at all. If the saddle
is the wrong shape, springs don't help.
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:42 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
Anne: you probably haven't tried this one:
Oh, how earnest we all are.
What I really want to see is the B135 on a 917 gram R3 Cervelo frame.
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't see how a spring would address the issue at all. If the saddle
is the wrong shape, springs don't help.
On Fri,
Quoted for truth
I don't see how a spring would address the issue at all. If the saddle
is the wrong shape, springs don't help.
On Friday, November 30, 2012 1:50:35 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:
I don't see how a spring would address the issue at all. If the saddle
is the wrong shape,
I believe Mr. Moore was attempting humor. It worked for me..that
double-sprung saddle is the funniest thing I've ever seen.
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
On Friday, November 30, 2012 2:23:36 PM UTC-8, Stephen S wrote:
Quoted for truth
I don't see how a spring would address the issue at all.
Yeah, sorry I missed that.
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe Mr. Moore was attempting humor. It worked for me..that
double-sprung saddle is the funniest thing I've ever seen.
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
On Friday, November 30, 2012 2:23:36 PM
I agree with Anne's point that if the sit bones are not in the right
position a saddle is not comfortable.
My SO had me put her fancy woman-specific gel saddle on her Betty Foy when
we got it. I had a B68S pre-aged ready to go and finally convinced her to
give it a try as the gel saddle was not
I love the Rivet, longer rails too. and I find it beautiful, tho the B17 is
my 2nd favorite.
On Thursday, November 22, 2012 8:47:06 PM UTC-8, Christopher Murray wrote:
I had not bought a new Brooks in a few years and was shocked at the
prices. I think they are great saddles but starting at
Bill, or anyone else for that matter,
Would you please explain how the Rivet Pearl is different for your
anatomy? I ask because I've put 3,000 miles on a Brooks B17 over the last
7 months and have suffered horribly from saddle sores where the back of my
thigh meets my buttocks. I'm not sure
$120 for a saddle is not exactly cheap, but look around. Selle SMP makes a
few cheap saddles, but their main line stuff runs $250 and up. Selle
Italia has saddles that run into the $350 - 450 range. In comparison, a
Brooks looks like a moderately priced, comfortable but heavy touring saddle.
I have a Brooks B17 and a Selle Anatomica. Both are better for me than my
somewhat (but not that much) cheaper Specialized gel saddle. SA is
slightly more comfortable. My guess is that you could probably find a much
cheaper saddle and be comfortable if your bike is properly sized, your bars
For this sort of thing, you can look at cost out a long way for as quality
a product as a Brooks is. I am on a Brooks on my British chariot that is
40x 365 days old. As my buggy is old, my Brooks should last long. As our
pals on this list like to jot down, important things stand betwixt your
Another consideration is where the savings on the lower priced options
derive.
Traditional leather tanning uses organic compounds that used properly do
not pollute the environment or harm the people tanning the leather.
Organic compounds cost more to obtain. Implementation is more labor
A brooks or similar metal-frame/leather saddle takes time to break in, but
once it is, it becomes obviously worth the money. I've never ridden in
special shorts or padding, just normal pants, and I can ride 135 mile days
on this type of saddle.BUT not straight out of the box- it needs to
Like Matt, I find leather saddles more comfortable without padding in my
pants. Wool Boxers under riding shorts or pants- I like MUSA fine, as well
as ZOIC. Selle Anatomicas saddles are comfortable from the start, while
Brooks B17s take about 300 - 500 miles for me to feel that ahh sensation.
I
my buddy is very fond of his Bertoud, though he put Brooks Aged, B17 and
B68S, on his tandem.
While I'm sure Brooks must have some UK-made lines, the majority of all
their products are made in China, so there really isn't a labor cost issue
built into Brooks price. Most of what we're paying
*While I'm sure Brooks must have some UK-made lines, the majority of all
their products are made in China, so there really isn't a labor cost issue
built into Brooks price.*
Brooks saddles are made in England. Maybe some of their other offerings
are made elsewhere, I don't know. The made
I think that some of their bags and such are made in China. Brooks goes
into detail about orgins and why they make some stuff overseas on the
comment sections of many of the products on the website. Turns out that if
you are trying to hit a lower price point, England maybe too expensive to
I stand corrected. The saddles are made in England. I just dug out two
boxes (storing two terry saddles now).
It's the Brooks Challenge bag that I remember, made in China from
English-tanned hides
On Saturday, November 24, 2012 9:38:25 AM UTC-6, Matt Beebe wrote:
*While I'm sure Brooks
Who remembers riding in wool shorts with real chamois? We used to make our
our own, road both unicanitor and Ideale saddles and we never had issues
with sores, or rawness considering we usually averaged 100+ miles a day on
long tours.
The Point? Somewhere along the line we became so convinced
I thought the models with brass rivets (eg select and special lines)
were made in the UK, and the others (with smaller steel rivets) were
made elsewhere.
On Nov 24, 7:38 am, Matt Beebe matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote:
*While I'm sure Brooks must have some UK-made lines, the majority of all
their
Saw a tour of the brooks factory recently. Looks like all saddles are made
in house but the frames for the saddles were coming from somewhere else
On Nov 24, 2012 11:00 AM, ted ted.ke...@comcast.net wrote:
I thought the models with brass rivets (eg select and special lines)
were made in the UK,
Who remembers riding in wool shorts with real chamois?
I do, though I never made my own. I think the ones I bought were
Protogs.
On Nov 24, 7:56 am, bwphoto bwphotograph...@gmail.com wrote:
Who remembers riding in wool shorts with real chamois? We used to make our
our own, road both unicanitor
Ben's Cycles has 20% off until tomorrow, including on $99 B17s.
Time to stock up.
On Nov 24, 5:38 pm, Matt Beebe matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote:
*While I'm sure Brooks must have some UK-made lines, the majority of all
their products are made in China, so there really isn't a labor cost issue
I for one haven't found them to be that expensive. My race saddles were
all well over 100 dollars. Agreed there are plenty of 10 dollar takes offs
and things to be found. However by comparison the standard B17 at roughly
90 bucks here in Missouri is NOT in my opinion expensive by comparison
I completely agree with this. Nice, high quality saddles cost real riders
serious about riding, or even style money. Your LBS has a $20-box full of
serviceable plastic saddles for the folks who don't need/want/can't afford
the pricey stuff. I like Brookses, and I pay for them. My last new one
Don't forget that the US currency has devalued significantly during the
last 8 years, which makes the saddles seem more expensive to import, but in
the UK the prices might not have changed to that degree. Compare the price
changes of the Japanese products over the last 8 years and you'll see
When I first opened Hiawatha Cyclery in 2005-06, my wholesale price on a
standard B17 was $33 and retail prices were $75+. At that time, Brooks was
being acquired by a new owner. That new owner, from my perspective, picked up
on the fact that Brooks had become a boutique brand (partly thanks to
In our stable, we have one VO equivalent of the B67, and a Cardiff
B17 equivalent. (I think they are made by the same company) These are
both very nice saddles, the =B67 is on my wife's former road, now town,
bike, and has had a fair number of miles put on it. Leather is a little
lighter
Everything goes up in price, and in the case of Brooks, there are more
reasons than just the passing of time. As Joe B. noted, the weak dollar
is one. Another--some of you may remember when Brooks went bankrupt about
-- I'm not going to look it up but it was about 8-9 years ago. Panic
On Nov 23, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com
wrote:
When I first opened Hiawatha Cyclery in 2005-06, my wholesale price on a
standard B17 was $33 and retail prices were $75+. At that time, Brooks was
being acquired by a new owner. That new owner, from my
B17s are $99 on Amazon with free shipping. Selle Anatomica is having a
$99 sale until the end of 2012.
Jay
1On Nov 23, 6:40 pm, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote:
On Nov 23, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
thill@gmail.com wrote:
When I first opened Hiawatha
I am just not sure how much saddles that are comfortable, look good, and
are quality made should sell for, but 145 isn't terrible. I buy the
Brooks Special (or whatever the copper railed, hammered rivet B17 is
called) and I love them. They last; the leather is thick; they look good;
and most
Christopher,
I ride (on one of my bikes anyway) a wide, sprung VO leather saddle that
has been extremely comfortable. It's a sort of B66/67 pattern and has been
on my cargo bike for about 2 years and had quite a lot of use. I'm very
pleased with it. VO make 3 or 4 models in different widths. I
I don't think Brooks are overpriced if they are comfortable for you and are
what you need. On one of my bikes, am again trying a B-17. For the past
year or so, have not been able to ride comfortably on a Brooks. Seems the
rear cantle seems to be, um, rubbing me the wrong way. To say it nicely.
We were at a riding trailhead a couple of weeks ago, two women were
comparing saddles and diapers and one was admitting she was going to spend
more money to try a different saddle. I showed them my daughter's B68S,
which has led to nothing but laud from my daughter, a and complete dearth
of
The sense of value has nothing to do but with the one doing the valuing :)
Considering these saddles last a long time and are a one time investment,
reach your own conclusion. You can pay now ... or pay more at another now
!
I wish I could ride a leather saddle .. but I am one who cannot...
I haven't been able to get comfortable on a Brooks, but if I found them
comfortable, I'd pay up.
I will second the opinion that a comfortable saddle requires no padded
shorts -- so you save the cost of at least 2 pairs, making the equation
much less startling.
I do regret the chi chi,
Today I have seen the price for a new B17 standard in black vary among
reputable online venders for as much as *$50 US dollars*.
The questions are:
1. How much is the saddle worth to you?
2. How much customer loyalty, in this economy, are you able/willing to
extend, if your
Just a few years ago? I've been aware of Brooks saddles and their prices
since Rivendell started selling them 18 years ago. They've always been
pricey.
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
On Thursday, November 22, 2012 8:47:06 PM UTC-8, Christopher Murray wrote:
I had not bought a new Brooks in a few
There are lots of nice saddles that cost less. I keep hoping that I'll find
an inexpensive saddle as comfortable as a B67, but no luck yet.
On Thursday, November 22, 2012 10:47:06 PM UTC-6, Christopher Murray wrote:
I had not bought a new Brooks in a few years and was shocked at the
prices.
Here are the prices from the Holiday Flyer:
B.17 standard black with steel rails and frame: 11-055
B.17 womens, honey brown with black steel rails and frame: 11-058 $70
B.17 honey brown with copper rails and frame: 11-006 $95
B.17 honey brown with Ti rails and frame: 11-046 $150
Granted this
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