Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

2019-01-08 Thread Lester Lammers
You won't regret it. I was skeptical but took a leap of faith. No regrets whatsoever. It's not a road bike but it's no slug. On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 5:25:00 PM UTC-5, Randall Rupp wrote: > > I may have to upgrade (more likely add another) at some point. I like big > rubber, and the long

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

2019-01-08 Thread Randall Rupp
I may have to upgrade (more likely add another) at some point. I like big rubber, and the long wheelbase sounds fun. On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 4:56 PM Lester Lammers wrote: > I have a 53 MIT Atlantis w/ Bille bars but could use drop bars with a > short stem. I'm at the bottom of the PBH range.

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

2019-01-08 Thread Lester Lammers
I have a 53 MIT Atlantis w/ Bille bars but could use drop bars with a short stem. I'm at the bottom of the PBH range. Enough top tube clearance for the jewels The fit is perfect. I don't think it is as nimble as a Hillborne but the cloud like ride is exceptional. My heels would never touch a

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

2019-01-08 Thread Lester Lammers
I agree. I have a 53 MIT Atlantis w/ Bille bars. I'm at the bottom of the PBH range. The fit is perfect and the ride is exceptional. On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 12:00:35 PM UTC-5, Hugh Flynn wrote: > As a recent newbie to LCS (long chainstay) bikes, all I can say is try it. > > It's

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

2019-01-08 Thread Bill Schairer
“The MIT Atlantis and Appaloosa have enormous chainstays, 52cm in my size - wow. ” I was on the phone with Bruce Gordon some months ago to order a rear rack for my Atlantis. He asked me to measure the chainstays and when I told him 47 cm he reacted as though they were so long I must have

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

2019-01-08 Thread RichS
Randall: I currently have a 650b sage colored Sam and a 26” wheeled MUSA Atlantis (46cm chain stays). Absolutely love them both. The Sam is presently set up as a more roadish ride with drop bars, a small handlebar bag and a saddlebag. It has also been set up with a basket/large bag combo which

[RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

2019-01-08 Thread Mark Schneider
I am under the impression that the Atlantis is slightly heavier, with thicker tubing, and room for wider tires. I have a MUSA Atlantis and a MUSA Homer, and the difference in ride is quite noticeable. Kevin explained to me a long time ago that the Hillborne was in between the Homer and

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

2019-01-08 Thread hugh flynn
As a recent newbie to LCS (long chainstay) bikes, all I can say is try it. It's magnificent. Seriously. I look at my short chainstay bikes with marginal contempt now. Hugh Flynn Newburyport, MA On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 11:08 AM Randall Rupp wrote: > The MIT Atlantis and Appaloosa have enormous

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

2019-01-08 Thread Randall Rupp
The MIT Atlantis and Appaloosa have enormous chainstays, 52cm in my size - wow. I knew the Appaloosa was set up that way but didn't realize the Atlantis geometry changed. Haven't tried it so I'm not dismissing it. I'm sure they both ride swell. On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 9:02 AM hugh flynn

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

2019-01-08 Thread hugh flynn
Not to complicate things further, but there's also the Appaloosa to consider. Pretty 95% overlap with the MIT Atlantis, but in different colors and size points. Def good for road and touring with the wider tire options of the Atlantis. Hugh "Joe" Flynn Newburyport, MA On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at

[RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

2019-01-07 Thread Jonathan D.
Has the tubing for the Sam changed over time? I thought it was the same as the old Toyo Atlantis, which I thought was double butter and .9.6.9. I think I read it in an old Riv Reader. I am not sure in the end it really matters but always interesting to know. I have had a Sam and a Appaloosa

[RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

2019-01-07 Thread dougP
They overlap about 80%. Is your Sam set-up primarily for touring, with racks, etc? Or is it mostly a road / trail bike? As far as touring goes, how much stuff you carry makes a difference. If you want to do 4 bag plus a rack full of gear, the Atlantis work well. It actually rides "softer"

[RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

2019-01-07 Thread Adam in Indiana
A few years ago (I think it was when they started offering complete Sams) the drawings for Sam frames were posted on the blug, and I think they were linked from the Sam webpage as well. Anywho, for a 58 Sam (sorry, don't remember the others) the top, down, and seat tube were single butt; .9/.7

[RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

2019-01-07 Thread Drw
I agree with what Bill said. i had a sam and i now have an atlantis. the sam is so versatile. it can be and do almost anything. the atlantis is a bit harder to make "roady", though im sure it can be done. What i really wanted was a sam that could take 50mm tires + fenders. i couldnt get that,

[RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

2019-01-07 Thread Adam in Indiana
This is something I've wondered off and on as well. I have one of the newer canti-Sams set up as a road bike (a 58cm, 700c wheels), but have been really hankering for a MIT 56cm Atlantis (which would be 650b, and my 89cm pbh puts me right on the edge according to Riv). Problem is, I'd want

[RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

2019-01-07 Thread Bill Lindsay
They are similar in that they both ride like Rivendells. "Better for touring" is purely in the eye of the beholder. Both can be used for touring, no problem. Both can be used as road bikes. The Atlantis maybe has a tiny bit more offroad top-end because it takes bigger tires, but you can