[RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-12-16 Thread Joe Bernard
Or someone here will find an old Blackburn in the garage that was on a mountain bike 20 years ago. There's gotta be a million of them out there! On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:21:48 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote: > Ibera is lower price brand I see a lot. Without the branding I've seen > very s

[RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-12-16 Thread Joe Bernard
Ibera is lower price brand I see a lot. Without the branding I've seen very similar racks as OE on new commuter bikes. On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:08:34 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote: > Thanks David and Joe, > I just remembered to ask ... any recommendations for cheap 26" wheel > specific

[RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-12-16 Thread Paul Clifton
Thanks David and Joe, I just remembered to ask ... any recommendations for cheap 26" wheel specific racks, rear mostly, but either I guess. The 700c compatible racks I have around sit so far above the rear wheel that the seat basically goes all the way down on top of them :`( Paul On Friday,

[RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-12-16 Thread Joe Bernard
It's so pretty! I love that year/color Hardrock. Well done! On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 9:53:31 AM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote: > I thought y'all might like to see how the Clemified Hard Rock came out. I > put Boscos instead of Albatross on because it seemed like it'd work better. > > [image:

[RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-12-16 Thread DavidP
Nice, Paul! Looks great. Let us know how she likes it. On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:53:31 PM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote: > I thought y'all might like to see how the Clemified Hard Rock came out. I > put Boscos instead of Albatross on because it seemed like it'd work better. > > [image: hard

[RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-30 Thread Paul Clifton
Thanks Pam. I also think friction bar end shifters on Albatross bars is the most pleasurable way to shift. It just feels right to me. I'll take them with me and let her check them out. If this bike works out, I'd love to send her up to Charlotte for one of your classes. She's in Atlanta, so not

[RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-30 Thread ascpgh
Tendencies of cleaning, adjusting and using what's present versus replacing 30 year old OEM parts with things you have, know or prefer may be genetic. People cannot help themselves if the trait is expressed. I know thirty years is a long time for a bike sold as new to migrate the landscape but

[RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-29 Thread Pam Bikes
Friction and albatross bars are great. I didn't know how to use them when I got them but it's easy. Takes 5 minutes to learn. Not sure where she lives in GA but I'm in NC and would be glad to help. I'm in Charlotte, NC which is on the border of SC. I'm from Augusta, GA which is only 2 1/2 h

[RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-29 Thread Paul Clifton
:) Are y'all really asking me to defend why I'm upgrading a 30 year old bike for a very good friend of mine? Sheesh. Of course I've gotten her input. Here's what she's said: - "I want a bike like [your wife's] bike, with those handlebars." - 45 Clem L with Boscos (also a bit too big...

[RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-29 Thread Joe Bernard
This would indeed be helpful. I assumed the need for new shifters was because the original push-push were gummed up into uselessness after 30-odd years, but we don't know if she's even tried the bike. On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 1:26:57 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote: > Did I miss the part where th

[RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-29 Thread Garth
Did I miss the part where the friend actually rode the Hardrock as it is to see how it felt in fit and function ? It seems that without some input from her, you'd be trying to make her into something she is not. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW

[RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-28 Thread R. Alexis
Paul, Sorry to be late to the party. That Specialized looks to be in decent condition. My thought was to lean into replacing just what is needed. In this case I would go with replacing the bars and shifters. The derailleurs that are on there probably will do just fine. Getting some 7 speed th

Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-28 Thread esoterica etc
> On Nov 28, 2022, at 15:14, Joe Bernard wrote: > >  > Yes, my opinions are opinions. In my opinion. >> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 9:35:53 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote: >> But that's the point, Joe. If you learn the skill -- it's not rocket >> science, for chrissake! -- you don't hunt

Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-28 Thread Joe Bernard
Yes, my opinions are opinions. In my opinion. On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 9:35:53 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote: > But that's the point, Joe. If you learn the skill -- it's not rocket > science, for chrissake! -- you don't hunt, you just shift accurately. This > assumes that your drivetrain

Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-28 Thread Will Boericke
I agree with Patrick; my wife was never so happy as when I set up her bike 1x and she just had to use one shifter. She rides mostly for errands and still occasionally forgets which direction "makes it harder". As for friction, put me in the indexed camp. I like the click-and-it goes simplicity a

Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-28 Thread Chris Cameron
It wasn't until 2019 that I switched over to biking after running for a number of years due to issues with my knees creeping up. Anyway, I hadn't been on a bike really since I was a kid, so I grabbed a complete Surly Cross-Check, which came with bar-end shifters. After about a year of riding,

Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-28 Thread Patrick Moore
But that's the point, Joe. If you learn the skill -- it's not rocket science, for chrissake! -- you don't hunt, you just shift accurately. This assumes that your drivetrain components are basically decent in quality and condition. As for choosing the easier method and thinking the slightly harder

Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-27 Thread Joe Bernard
I'll avoid the gun part this time and state the friction part more calmly: I understand the interest in rear friction shifting, I personally find it unnecessarily difficult on roads where I can't even hear if I made the shift cuz of the cars going by. Anybody who wants it is certainly free to g

Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-27 Thread Paul Clifton
Thanks y'all. I knew there would be people on this list who agree with me that bar end friction shifting is really the easiest kind of shifting there is, but I think, at the end of the day, Joyce's perspective is really right on - for really novice riders, removing extraneous skills is the best

Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-27 Thread Eric Marth
My vote would be for friction bar-ends because it's groovy, fun, looks cool, feels great. Anyone can learn it, nothing to it. You learn friction trimming and shifting quickly. Just a few anecdotal case studies: I did, my partner did (she is not an avid or frequent rider), my pal Glenn (who I j

Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-27 Thread Joe Bernard
I don't want to learn how to shoot a rifle and don't use friction shifting for the rear even though I know how to do it. I think hunting around for the next cog just because you can is silly, the clicks work. On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 2:35:18 PM UTC-8 Tom Palmer wrote: > I am with Garth

Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-27 Thread Tom Palmer
I am with Garth on this. Albatross and bar end shifters in friction mode are easy peasy as long as the parts match or pretty close. My new Platypus has 10 speed microshift bar ends, basic Deore deraiiler, mid range 10 speed cassette, and basic Sram 10 speed chain o Albatross bars. Shifting smoot

Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-27 Thread Garth
Give your friend friction shifters first for goodness sake. Don't sell them short in their abilities, people don't need or want to be treated as incapable. You don't have to buy expensive thumbshifters, Sunrace SLM10 and Falcon are ratcheting ones for $10-15 and include cables. The ratcheting m

Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-27 Thread Joe Bernard
Now that you have the rear shifting nailed, the question will be that front RapidFire. If it doesn't work - and we all know index front triple shifting sucks anyway - you can find a friction thumby for the front. Riv sells a lot of Clems with this shifter arrangement. On Sunday, November 27, 2

Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-27 Thread JAS
Compliments to you for helping your RivSister friend get a bike that fits! Having coached a few timid riders recently, I have a these suggestions: 1. Index shifters with numbers or an indicator regarding gear "size" help new riders learn to shift without too much to think about. Trying to

Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-27 Thread Will Boericke
New rider will not like friction shifting. For 8 spd retrofits, I always buy microshift / sunrace. Work really well, can usually get both shifters for $25ish. Rear V brake retrofit is full length housing with zipties. On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:51:07 AM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote: > O

Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-27 Thread Paul Clifton
Oh, and HAHAHA, of course Riv has the Claris 8 speed rapid fire shifter in stock. On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:49:46 AM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote: > Thanks Mike and Scott for the tip on the v brake setup. I'll give it a go > as is, and it probably won't be a problem. > > And David, Joe, Sco

Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-27 Thread Paul Clifton
Thanks Mike and Scott for the tip on the v brake setup. I'll give it a go as is, and it probably won't be a problem. And David, Joe, Scott - thanks for the input. Buying a rapid fire shifter and 8 speed cassette was really my first inclination, but it's getting harder to find 8 speed rapid fire

Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-26 Thread 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch
Go with Joe's wisdom... Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 6:44 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: My inclination fron your parts options is to try the 3x RapidFire on the front (it may work with that derailer) and buy an 8-speed RapidFire for your Altus rear derailer and an 8-s

[RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-26 Thread Joe Bernard
My inclination fron your parts options is to try the 3x RapidFire on the front (it may work with that derailer) and buy an 8-speed RapidFire for your Altus rear derailer and an 8-speed cassette. But it would help a lot to know what system she's used to. On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 3:03:2

Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-26 Thread DavidP
I think for a new / timid rider I'd lean towards indexed over friction, mainly because learning to friction shift requires listening and micro-adjusting vs just clicking and pedaling - it's one more thing to "worry" about. That said a friction front can be simpler and less frustrating to use th

Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-26 Thread 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch
As Mike noted, cable routing approach to v-brake noodles is pretty forgiving and allows some flexibility. It may be hard to visualize before attempting it, but I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. Also, noodles with different bends and angles exist that might help you refine your set-up.I per

Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-26 Thread mikel66...@juno.com
v brakes noodles can easily be pointed downward. i would run housing from the cable stop up to the noodle. i routinely do this upgrade old cantis to v brakes on lady frames mike goldman rhode island -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch

[RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

2022-11-26 Thread Paul Clifton
Oh yeah, and can anyone point me to the thread about routing v brake cable housing without the v brake cable guide near the seat clamp? Or tell me a good way to do it? I might be able to get away without a cable guide but I'd like to have a quick fix in my back pocket for when that doesn't work