[RBW] Re: DT shifters, another point of view

2009-08-29 Thread Seth Vidal
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > > My one skinny-tire bike (an early 80s pink Univega) has 700x25 Conti > Gatorskins (which I doubt would fare well in Heine's tests), and it is > plenty faster than my other bikes with fatter tires. It is also > lighter than m

[RBW] Re: DT shifters, another point of view

2009-08-29 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
My one skinny-tire bike (an early 80s pink Univega) has 700x25 Conti Gatorskins (which I doubt would fare well in Heine's tests), and it is plenty faster than my other bikes with fatter tires. It is also lighter than my other bikes, partly because it has skinny tires. It turns out that, in many wa

[RBW] Re: DT shifters, another point of view

2009-08-29 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sat, 2009-08-29 at 16:42 -0500, Bill Connell wrote: > On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:19 PM, CycloFiend wrote: > > On the roads around these parts, the two times that I consistently either > > gain distance upon or catch up with folks on the Race Modeled Road Bikes > > (RMRB) is when we hit uneven p

[RBW] Re: DT shifters, another point of view

2009-08-29 Thread Bill Connell
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:19 PM, CycloFiend wrote: > On the roads around these parts, the two times that I consistently either > gain  distance upon or catch up with folks on the Race Modeled Road Bikes > (RMRB) is when we hit uneven pavement (well, that and descending).  They > look at the Jack B

[RBW] Re: DT shifters, another point of view

2009-08-29 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sat, 2009-08-29 at 14:34 -0700, CycloFiend wrote: > By which term (though it did make me think of the Hansen brothers' "Old Time > Hockey!" cry) he meant my Silver Barends. He literally didn't think they > worked, and that I was running them for some sort of statement. > > I tried to impress

[RBW] Re: DT shifters, another point of view

2009-08-29 Thread CycloFiend
I'll add one more observation about shifters to this thread. A number of weeks ago, I was riding home. A guy in team-derivative kit on a MCRB caught up to me and we chatted a bit. He complemented the Hilsen, then asked what year it was. I thought for a second, then replied, "It's an aught-eig

[RBW] Re: DT shifters, another point of view

2009-08-29 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sat, 2009-08-29 at 14:19 -0700, CycloFiend wrote: > I think that's starting to change. I've had a couple conversations with > folks when I'm out on the Hilsen, rolling along fat and happy on my 32/33's > while they clatter and bang away on 23's. There have been some articles in > the race cr

[RBW] Re: DT shifters, another point of view

2009-08-29 Thread CycloFiend
on 8/29/09 7:54 AM, Tim McNamara at tim...@bitstream.net wrote: > > > On Aug 29, 2009, at 6:06 AM, JoelMatthews wrote: > >> Admittedly, I know very little about club racing dynamics, but I >> expect the majority of people who buy the Roadeo will never use tires >> wider than a 28. At least no

[RBW] Re: DT shifters, another point of view

2009-08-29 Thread Tim McNamara
On Aug 29, 2009, at 10:26 AM, JoelMatthews wrote: > >> Club riders will generally be using 700 x 23. Frequently smaller. >> At 120 PSI. It's just a fact of life in racing clubs. This is >> target market that does not think like people who use 35 mm tires, >> tweed bags and high bars. If you

[RBW] Re: DT shifters, another point of view

2009-08-29 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sat, 2009-08-29 at 09:54 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote: > > Club riders will generally be using 700 x 23. Frequently smaller. > At 120 PSI. It's just a fact of life in racing clubs. This is > target market that does not think like people who use 35 mm tires, > tweed bags and high bars.

[RBW] Re: DT shifters, another point of view

2009-08-29 Thread cm
DT's on a bike designed for club rides is kinda laughable-- not that there is anything wrong with them, just that NO ONE on any club ride that i have ever done or seen uses them. Lots of club riders today have never even ridden DT's. I have only ridden with them once and hated it-- what a dumb pla

[RBW] Re: DT shifters, another point of view

2009-08-29 Thread Garth
Oh ... the irony. DT shifters is likely a design decision, it's not as if there's a shortage of DT shifters bosses is there? The Irony is . . . why does the Waterford made Bomabadil have DT shift bosses? . This kind of stops the thinking for a minute. Who's gonna use DT shifters on

[RBW] Re: DT shifters, another point of view

2009-08-29 Thread Bill Connell
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:26 AM, JoelMatthews wrote: > >> Club riders will generally be using 700 x 23.  Frequently smaller. >> At 120 PSI.  It's just a fact of life in racing clubs.  This is >> target market that does not think like people who use 35 mm tires, >> tweed bags and high bars.  If yo

[RBW] Re: DT shifters, another point of view

2009-08-29 Thread JoelMatthews
> Club riders will generally be using 700 x 23. Frequently smaller. > At 120 PSI. It's just a fact of life in racing clubs. This is > target market that does not think like people who use 35 mm tires, > tweed bags and high bars. If you don't know anything about club > racing, you won't be able

[RBW] Re: DT shifters, another point of view

2009-08-29 Thread Tim McNamara
On Aug 29, 2009, at 6:06 AM, JoelMatthews wrote: > Admittedly, I know very little about club racing dynamics, but I > expect the majority of people who buy the Roadeo will never use tires > wider than a 28. At least not when they are with the guys and gals at > the club. Brifters or no, the bi

[RBW] Re: DT shifters, another point of view

2009-08-29 Thread JoelMatthews
> I know it's easy to see the steel and lugs and think "A, Bob Jackson-ish" > or "Just like my old > Raleigh Competition," but those aren't the target with this one. Grant, I follow your points, but this is not at all what started me on this topic. The first thing that came to my mind when

[RBW] Re: DT shifters, another point of view

2009-08-28 Thread David Estes
Rhode-O-Island On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:28 PM, grant wrote: > > I think Doug VC got it pretty right---about this being an alternative > to carbon bikes. It is specifically and intentionally from conception > to production a club-rider's bike. I know it's easy to see the steel > and lugs and th