Re: [RBW] Re: Dancing Around the Lugged Steel Maypole

I've seen alot broken cables in STI shifters for years, sometimes resulting in the need for a new brifter. Jim (in icy Madison, WI been wrenching for 25+ years) On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 5:28:32 PM UTC-6, Brewster Fong wrote: > > > On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:20:23 PM UTC-8, Steve Pal

[RBW] Re: Dancing Around the Lugged Steel Maypole

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:08:08 PM UTC-8, Liesl wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 7:56:36 AM UTC-6, Cecily Walker wrote: >> >> What about female retrogrouches? Do we just let our leg hair grow out? :-D >> > > Already done! And I'm puttin' corn rows down my shins! :) > I hav

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On 12/19/2013 05:00 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote: Everyone on that ride has adhered to the oath of secrecy, but I guess I'm free to describe my own stupidity, and the incredible good fortune that saved us at least 50 miles of extra riding on Day 1 of Riv Rally East 2012. The stupidity part

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king his head that night at dinner at the dumb > luck of some people. > > But I now (a) tighten every bolt on my bike(s) before leaving on a long > ride, and (b) always have a crank bolt wrench in my toolkit. > > Live and learn. > > -Original Message- > From: Steve

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ay, December 18, 2013 4:53 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Cc: Allingham II, Thomas J (WIL) Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Dancing Around the Lugged Steel Maypole On 12/18/2013 04:22 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > Noted. Thank goodness spokes, 1/4" ball bearings and crank extractors > do g

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Yeah, that post pretty much made the rest of this thread worth it. ;^) be well, y'all! - J On Thursday, December 19, 2013 5:21:18 AM UTC-8, Leslie wrote: > > On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:20:23 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: >> >> >> So unscrew the bolts on a water bottle cage. With your

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On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:20:23 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > So unscrew the bolts on a water bottle cage. With your thumb push the > rear derailleur in so that the chain lines up with a sprocket that will > give you a couple of usable gears on your two chain rings, and put > t

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I have no idea what the Snob is talking about I've had flowers weaved in my beard long before this recall...seriously what Bobby said sums it up, discs have their application and purpose and I figure one of these days I'll have a bicycle outfitted with em especially if I plan on riding in a regi

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On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 7:56:36 AM UTC-6, Cecily Walker wrote: > > What about female retrogrouches? Do we just let our leg hair grow out? :-D > Already done! And I'm puttin' corn rows down my shins! :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW

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One more vote for Campy! And yes, great hack, Steve! On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:28:32 PM UTC-8, Brewster Fong wrote: > > > On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:20:23 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: >> >> We're seeing a lot of broken right hand shift cables these days: there's >> some sort

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On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:20:23 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > We're seeing a lot of broken right hand shift cables these days: there's > some sort of > fatigue point inside many Shimano STI units. But when the cable breaks, > it's always at the shifter. Yup, it appears that

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On 12/18/2013 05:59 PM, ascpgh wrote: Parallelograms of front and rear derailleurs are wonderful receptacles for just the right sized stick or pebble to hold a single chainring or cog for the ride out. No need to go hunting for sticks or pebbles to hold the rear derailleur onto an appropriat

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So if Tom used wired castle nuts with a threaded BB spindle to keep those crankarms onboard, he'd have to carry this: http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd187/MyG503Pictures/M-7.jpg and this: http://www.malinco.com/aerospace-lockwire.html Half the fun is trying to figure out what to do to get

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On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 2:11:21 PM UTC-8, Matthew J wrote: > > Sorry Jim, appears as though I was sending my post when you sent yours. > > My apologies too for extending an OT thread. jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners

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On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 2:00:54 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Steve, owner of the bike shop where I worked sporadically last summer, > told me that one particular brand of hydraulic disks (Magura?) would seize > up in very hot weather as the working fluid expanded beyond spec. > > Ha

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Sorry Jim, appears as though I was sending my post when you sent yours. On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 4:02:16 PM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: > > my, my my... > > We're really discussing a SRAM recall here? > > And now it's spiraled out into this galaxy of snipes and counter-snipes? > > I reali

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> Is it just me or is this thread getting ridiculously cranky? Ah, yes, it's December...the usual winter surliness. Hope no one feels I am being cranky about this. I think we can take it for granted in some bad weather scenarios disc brakes have advantages over rim. We also have to take for

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my, my my... We're really discussing a SRAM recall here? And now it's spiraled out into this galaxy of snipes and counter-snipes? I realize that it's the winter months for many of us on the list, but can we let this thread drop and die, please? Thanks! - Jim / list admin -- You received

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Steve, owner of the bike shop where I worked sporadically last summer, told me that one particular brand of hydraulic disks (Magura?) would seize up in very hot weather as the working fluid expanded beyond spec. Has anyone experienced this? -- You received this message because you are subscribed

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On 12/18/2013 04:22 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: Noted. Thank goodness spokes, 1/4" ball bearings and crank extractors do grow on trees. At least Mother Nature provides for us some of what we need. ROTFL! Apropos of Mother Nature providing, ask Thomas Allingham about crank bolts on the GAP. I'

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Keep that kind of comment where it belongson the "What I carried on my Rivendell" thread. "I carried a whole spare bike!" :-) On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 1:28:26 PM UTC-8, Addison wrote: > > Glad to hear it...i was going to make a joke about how I always carry an > identical 2nd co

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Glad to hear it...i was going to make a joke about how I always carry an identical 2nd complete bike on my rides in the "wilds" because you never know when one might break. Cheers! Addison Wilhite, M.A. Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology *“Blazin

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Naahhh... Steve P and I are good friends... he just loves to bust my chops... no worries. I'm feelin the love. Peace, BB On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:34:43 PM UTC-5, Addison wrote: > > Is it just me or is this thread getting ridiculously cranky? Ah, yes, > it's December...the usual winter

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Noted. Thank goodness spokes, 1/4" ball bearings and crank extractors do grow on trees. At least Mother Nature provides for us some of what we need. Bill "we're not fighting, we're just stinking up the board unnecessarily" Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:27:24 PM

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GRRR. NO! IT'S JUST YOU, ADDISON. GRR. Grin. With abandon, Patrick, who trusts that my math teacher was right and two negatives make a positive, at least when one of them is in sardonic jest. On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 1:34:43 PM UTC-7, Addison wrote: > > Is it just me or i

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Is it just me or is this thread getting ridiculously cranky? Ah, yes, it's December...the usual winter surliness. Smile and go for a ride if you can! That's what I'm about to do... Regards, Addison Wilhite, M.A. Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology

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On 12/18/2013 03:16 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: My friend Bobby said earlier (and I quote): "if I were embarking on a multi-day tour away from civilization, I'd have a lightweight, compact kit with me that would get me through any potential jam with my brakes" Would you like him to describe the c

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My friend Bobby said earlier (and I quote): "if I were embarking on a multi-day tour away from civilization, I'd have a lightweight, compact kit with me that would get me through any potential jam with my brakes" Would you like him to describe the contents of this kit? I'll wager that DOT bra

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On 12/18/2013 02:56 PM, Montclair BobbyB wrote: Shimano disc brakes use a special mineral oil (which comes in a small, easy to carry sealed plastic bottle). Other brakes use DOT brake fluid... Easy to find, even in the wilds. BB Perhaps we have a different understanding of "wilds." If you

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Shimano disc brakes use a special mineral oil (which comes in a small, easy to carry sealed plastic bottle). Other brakes use DOT brake fluid... Easy to find, even in the wilds. BB -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubs

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I think what SRAM did was simply a mistake.They now will live up to their warranty the way a decent company should. The Oring failures, if that's what the problem was, are a simple fix. SRAM makes a lot of things, Orings aren't one of them. If they got some that weren't up to spec, expect th

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Fair enough. I made the mistake thinking that you were responding directly to the quote you quoted. A guy makes a comment about "rushing to market" and then you say "didn't NASA have a similar problem". I thought you were accusing NASA of rushing to market. You've clarified it for me. On

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> Soft seals can lose flexibility at low temperature, something you would expect a company in Chicago to know Good point. Of course I think SRAM's Chicago presence is limited to a few execs, marketers and contract managers! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Googl

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> How you you manage mud, muck, snow, and ice on your rim brakes, Matthew? There are really only a few days out of the year where mud, muck and snow are significant enough to cause issues in Chicago. On those days when the streets are packed, I admittedly do have to stop and wipe off the rims

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Soft seals can lose flexibility at low temperature, something you would expect a company in Chicago to know. One would expect they would have simply used similar seals as used in motor vehicle brakes. dougP On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 7:56:56 PM UTC-8, Doug Williams wrote: > > I'm weaving

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On 12/18/2013 01:38 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: Richard Feynman has not written up his report on the SRAM issue. Also, thusfar, the SRAM issue has vaporized zero brave American Astronauts, so I would call those two problems "not similar" Consequences are "not similar" but "O ring fails in cold w

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Richard Feynman has not written up his report on the SRAM issue. Also, thusfar, the SRAM issue has vaporized zero brave American Astronauts, so I would call those two problems "not similar" On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:28:08 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On 12/18/2013 01:10 PM, o

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On 12/18/2013 10:34 AM, Ron Mc wrote: and now they have disc brakes As I said, I've heard that disk brakes are unsuitable for "drag brake" use on a tandem. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group

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On 12/18/2013 11:28 AM, Montclair BobbyB wrote: And anyone who claims hydraulic brake lines can't easily be fixed out in the wilds just hasn't done it, that's all. It's not rocket science. In fact if I were embarking on a multi-day tour away from civilization, I'd have a lightweight, compact

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On 12/18/2013 01:10 PM, oldmangabe wrote: The crux of this particular problem is that SRAM seems to have rushed it's product to market in order to compete with Shimano and meet market expectations. In doing so SRAM seems to have neglected to do enough R&D on the redesign of the "road" version

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How you you manage mud, muck, snow, and ice on your rim brakes, Matthew? With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:59:32 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote: > > > Look, we all know rim brakes (under the right conditions) are a > time-tested, simple and reliable technology, BUT can be subje

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Well said Bobby. The crux of this particular problem is that SRAM seems to have rushed it's product to market in order to compete with Shimano and meet market expectations. In doing so SRAM seems to have neglected to do enough R&D on the redesign of the "road" versions of their hydro calipers

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> Look, we all know rim brakes (under the right conditions) are a time-tested, simple and reliable technology, BUT can be subject to all kinds of rim variables and conditions that can affect their reliabilty... (e.g. > muck, wet, snow & ice that collects on the rims, misaligned pads, poor leve

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Disclaimer: I admit I'm a slightly over-zealous, biased proponent of hydraulic disc brakes, so please take this as nothing more than absolute truth :). I'm sure SRAM will solve whatever problem is plaguing these particular disc brakes, but I have to say in the last 10 years of riding in sub-f

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and now they have disc brakes On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:53:25 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On 12/18/2013 09:30 AM, Ron Mc wrote: > > a tandem is the one place a rear disc is a big advantage. Long descents > on a tandem with rim brakes can heat the wheel enough to blow out a ti

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Snow or mud in joyous amounts are the only other reasons I can think of for disk brakes. Should I get a Surly 29er+ or fatter, I'll likely go with cable disk brakes for those two reasons so I simply don't have to worry about it. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 7:30:48 AM

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a tandem is the one place a rear disc is a big advantage. Long descents on a tandem with rim brakes can heat the wheel enough to blow out a tire. On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:24:50 AM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote: > > > What about female retrogrouches? Do we just let our leg hair grow out? > :

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> What about female retrogrouches? Do we just let our leg hair grow out? :-D Well sure1 Why not ;) Of course I do not ride at speeds some other cyclists do, but my two bikes, one with braze-on center pulls the other with dual pivot side pulls both stop so well I just do not understand the pu

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What about female retrogrouches? Do we just let our leg hair grow out? :-D On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 7:56:56 PM UTC-8, Doug Williams wrote: > > I'm weaving flowers into my beard right now and looking for a lugged steel > maypole. Care to join me? From SRAM and the Bike Snob New York: > > Doug

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Many cyclists' brakes are failing and more will unless they hear of this recall. There is no reason to dance here. There is every reason to help get the word out. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 8:56:56 PM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote: > > I'm weaving flowers into my beard ri

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and what's with electronic shifting? On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 10:12:06 PM UTC-6, RJM wrote: > > Disks on roadbikes is going to be an awful fad. > > On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:56:56 PM UTC-6, Doug Williams wrote: >> >> I'm weaving flowers into my beard right now and looking for a lugged

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On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 7:56:56 PM UTC-8, Doug Williams wrote: > > I'm weaving flowers into my beard right now and looking for a lugged steel > maypole. Care to join me? From SRAM and the Bike Snob New York: > > Doug > > > *It has recently come to our attention that during last weekend’s

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Disks on roadbikes is going to be an awful fad. On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:56:56 PM UTC-6, Doug Williams wrote: > > I'm weaving flowers into my beard right now and looking for a lugged steel > maypole. Care to join me? From SRAM and the Bike Snob New York: > > Doug > > > *It has recently com