[RBW] Re: Derailleur Cabling

2010-10-27 Thread Michael
I'm building up a new frame and have been wondering about this myself. I was comforted by the many replies which basically said that it wasn't a problem, that leaving the cables bare against the bottom bracket shell was fine. Then my friend sent me this:

RE: [RBW] Re: Derailleur Cabling

2010-10-27 Thread Joe Bartoe
Yes, yes, works just fine, but does do that. It's all about what you can live with. Joe Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 17:34:40 -0700 Subject: [RBW] Re: Derailleur Cabling From: michael@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com I'm building up a new frame and have been wondering about

Re: [RBW] Re: Derailleur Cabling

2010-10-24 Thread JimD
I too experience the occasional problem with the rear derailer cable dropping out of the BB cable guide on my Riv custom and Saluki. I've encountered this when removing the rear wheel - usually in the midst of a flat repair. If this event is in the midst of a driving rain storm the cable

[RBW] Re: Derailleur Cabling

2010-10-24 Thread Travis
Hm, I think drain holes are sometimes worth plugging - on a case by case basis. If you aren't using fenders and that drainage hole is the only reasonable access point for crud and water, it can't hurt to fill it. If you do have full fenders and a mud flap, that drainage hole will only let things

[RBW] Re: Derailleur Cabling

2010-10-23 Thread kevin lindsey
Thanks, Seth. I wondered whether there wasn't some kind of work-around here; thanks for providing it. I'd have thought that a more logical solution would have been to make the guides wide enough to accept an unstripped piece of cable housing. Maybe it's a Riv thing. Look forward to any

Re: [RBW] Re: Derailleur Cabling

2010-10-23 Thread Seth Vidal
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 2:41 PM, kevin lindsey lindsey.ke...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Seth. I wondered whether there wasn't some kind of work-around here; thanks for providing it.  I'd have thought that a more logical solution would have been to make the guides wide enough to accept an

[RBW] Re: Derailleur Cabling

2010-10-23 Thread kevin lindsey
Pestering the builders is always my default choice when these issues come up, but the folks at Rivendell don't seem to be answering the phone today and I want to take the Bleriot out. That's why I'm throwing myself on the mercy of this group :) Kevin On Oct 23, 11:46 am, Seth Vidal

Re: [RBW] Re: Derailleur Cabling

2010-10-23 Thread Seth Vidal
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 2:48 PM, kevin lindsey lindsey.ke...@gmail.com wrote: Pestering the builders is always my default choice when these issues come up, but the folks at Rivendell don't seem to be answering the phone today and I want to take the Bleriot out.  That's why I'm throwing myself

[RBW] Re: Derailleur Cabling

2010-10-23 Thread kevin lindsey
That's a pretty good solution. At the very least, it ought to save the paint until RBW opens up on Monday. All the best, Kevin On Oct 23, 11:50 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 2:48 PM, kevin lindsey lindsey.ke...@gmail.com wrote: Pestering the builders is

[RBW] Re: Derailleur Cabling

2010-10-23 Thread Dave Craig
My opinion is that it really isn't a big deal to run the cables bare under the BB. I recently stripped down my Atlantis for sale. I had been running bare cables for several years. As I inspected the frame before shipping, I noted that the paint was barely worn under the BB, let alone any metal.

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2010-10-23 Thread Eric Norris
I agree. If you think about it, when's the last time you saw one of those plastic cable guides cut in two by the action of the cables? Your bottom bracket is made of much harder stuff--you could probably run bare cables for decades and not see any appreciable wear. —Eric N On Oct 23, 2010,

[RBW] Re: Derailleur Cabling

2010-10-23 Thread Mitch Browne
I agree not to over think it but there's a natural tendency to worry when you run into this on a relatively expensive frame for the first time. This happened to me recently with a pristine 8 yr old Atlantis frame I bought off Craigslist. This was my first decent / pricey frame. Advice from the

[RBW] Re: Derailleur Cabling

2010-10-23 Thread Travis
It's probably alright, but I was worried about bare cable on paint friction as well. I used a cocktail/coffee stir straw to protect my paint down there. It was a pain to shove in there, but now it won't be going anywhere on it's own. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

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2010-10-23 Thread rob markwardt
My Bleriot and Rambouillet both have bare cable underneath. They were set up by pro's (paid mechanics... not me) so I assume they know what they are doing. Paint rub appears minimal and no rust (riding here my bikes get pretty wetoff to get one of them wet right now!). Rob Markwardt

[RBW] Re: Derailleur Cabling

2010-10-23 Thread eflayer
I wish they'd just build them with a threaded hole for...or actually install the under BB plastic cable guide. I am not fond of the steel tunnel approach. On Oct 23, 2:21 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Sat, 2010-10-23 at 11:31 -0700, kevin lindsey wrote: Are the derailleur

[RBW] Re: Derailleur Cabling

2010-10-23 Thread Ginz
The plastic sleeves inside vbrake noodles could work. They look very similar to the sleeves I've seen in Rivendell's photos. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: Derailleur Cabling

2010-10-23 Thread kevin lindsey
Problem solved (I think). The local bike shop gave me six inches of thin (about 1/4 diameter) plastic tubing that they use to protect frames from derailleur and brake cables. They fit into the BB guides and seem to be holding their place under the tension of the cable. Kevin On Oct 23, 2:29 pm,

[RBW] Re: Derailleur Cabling

2010-10-23 Thread doug peterson
On my Atlantis I had a problem with the cables coming out of the guides. Not huge, only happened every now again. But it's a pain to fuss with when the bike is loaded down with 4 panniers. When I finally had to replace the BB (6 years, I think) I drilled tapped a hole in the BB shell and

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2010-10-23 Thread andrew hill
I've been wondering the same thing, in preparation of building up a Romulus. good to know i can just use the metal guides, but there is an (untapped) hole for tapping and mounting a pastic guide, i assume. i'm concerned about getting crud up in the bb shell if i don't plug it.. or maybe

[RBW] Re: Derailleur Cabling

2010-10-23 Thread Jeremy Till
On the contrary, leaving that hole open will prevent crud (mainly water) that works its way into the frame from pooling there and causing rust. The amount of crud that can possibly get in will be fair outweighed by the benefit of letting the water out. On Oct 23, 4:28 pm, andrew hill

[RBW] Re: Derailleur Cabling

2010-10-23 Thread Angus
Leave the hole open. I've had water accumulate in the BB of frames before. If there isn't a hole in the BB shell, now I drill one. Angus On Oct 23, 6:28 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: I've been wondering the same thing, in preparation of building up a Romulus. good to know i can

[RBW] Re: Derailleur Cabling

2010-10-23 Thread Angus
The lining of derailleur cable housing is usually thicker than the stuff I've seen that covers exposed brake/derailleur cables. Angus On Oct 23, 5:27 pm, kevin lindsey lindsey.ke...@gmail.com wrote: Problem solved (I think).  The local bike shop gave me six inches of thin (about 1/4 diameter)

[RBW] Re: Derailleur Cabling

2010-10-23 Thread doug peterson
The untapped hole is a drain hole; don't plug it. I never took the BB out for 6 years there was not crud up there when I did. I drilled a separate hole near the drain for the cable guide bracket. dougP On Oct 23, 4:28 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: I've been wondering the same

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2010-10-23 Thread andrew hill
thanks folks, for setting me straight on the un-tapped resource of a drain hole. andrew On Oct 23, 2010, at 9:15 PM, doug peterson wrote: The untapped hole is a drain hole; don't plug it. I never took the BB out for 6 years there was not crud up there when I did. I drilled a separate