[RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

2010-02-16 Thread William
Looking forward to my pariI mean pair. I checked out the prototype 1 on the shelf at Riv-HQ yesterday, and the tread was CRAZY thin. I'm glad Kirk put a little bit more meat on them. I guess I should buy that Bomba to accept these tires, too. On Feb 12, 5:17 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com

Re: [RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

2010-02-16 Thread Bruce
That would make John, Keven, et al smile ... From: William tapebu...@gmail.com I guess I should buy that Bomba to accept these tires, too. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post

[RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

2010-02-16 Thread William
I hope it does make them Smile. I'm taking advantage of their really generous SmileTrain promo to buy the Orange powdercoated 56cm Bomba on the Frame Specials page. I'm smiling on the economics of it. I give $250 to Smile Train, so Smile Train smiles I buy an in-stock Bombadil, so I smile and

[RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

2010-02-14 Thread Patrick in VT
On Feb 13, 4:53 pm, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote:  If Jan Heine's theories on tire width and rolling resistance are true, the P-M should be faster on the road than the Cypress. That's not entirely accurate. One question that hasn't been answered or tested is a what point the

Re: [RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

2010-02-14 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sun, 2010-02-14 at 12:58 -0800, Patrick in VT wrote: On Feb 13, 4:53 pm, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote: If Jan Heine's theories on tire width and rolling resistance are true, the P-M should be faster on the road than the Cypress. That's not entirely accurate. One question

Re: [RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

2010-02-13 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 20:50 -0800, John Speare wrote: On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Great news! I saw the early model at Riv a few weeks ago - tread was too thin. This is gonna be an awesome tire. It must be pretty darn good if Grand Bois dropped

[RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

2010-02-13 Thread Patrick in VT
On Feb 13, 12:56 am, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote:  I expect to restrict the P-M's to paved roads . . . That'd be a shame! I don't see the value in a 38mm tire that can't be ridden on dirt. I guess I'll find out soon enough, but if the Pari- Moto is too fragile for serious mixed terrain

[RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

2010-02-13 Thread Aaron Thomas
And consider that 2mm of tread is right between a Roll-y Pol-y with 1.5mm and a Ruffy Tuffy with 2.5, so we're not talking about Schwalbe- style thicknesses. I would have been curious to try the 1.5 version, actually, since I rather dig the Roll-y Pol-y. Aaron On Feb 13, 7:09 am, Steve

Re: [RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

2010-02-13 Thread Steve Palincsar
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

2010-02-13 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 07:37 -0800, Patrick in VT wrote: On Feb 13, 12:56 am, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote: I expect to restrict the P-M's to paved roads . . . That'd be a shame! I don't see the value in a 38mm tire that can't be ridden on dirt. I guess I'll find out soon enough,

Re: [RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

2010-02-13 Thread rswat...@me.com
On Feb 13, 2010, at 9:32, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 07:37 -0800, Patrick in VT wrote: On Feb 13, 12:56 am, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote: I expect to restrict the P-M's to paved roads . . . That'd be a shame! I don't see the value in a 38mm

[RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

2010-02-13 Thread Patrick in VT
On Feb 13, 11:32 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: 38mm is huge for dedicated paved road tire. personally, I don't see any reason to ride a tire this big *unless* it's going to be used on mixed terrain - which doesn't necessitate super heavy duty tires. my point is that, if the

Re: [RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

2010-02-13 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 10:04 -0700, rswat...@me.com wrote: Depends on which Grand Bois. The Ourson is good in dirt, but the Hetre not so much. It's all Cush and no traction. It's OK to an extent, but if it gets steep it starts slipping on me. It's still my favorite tire, but I take the

Re: [RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

2010-02-13 Thread Bruce
It's sold as an event tire. As in a race day set of rubber. Not what you want for an off pavement ramble through goatheads. From: Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com And we knew from the start, this was to be a tire of the

Re: [RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

2010-02-13 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 11:48 -0800, Bruce wrote: It's sold as an event tire. As in a race day set of rubber. Not what you want for an off pavement ramble through goatheads. Well, I'm not sure it's quite that bad - the thickness is well in line with the Grand Bois Cypres, and I use that as a

[RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

2010-02-13 Thread Bill M.
True, 38 mm is huge for a road tire. But the Paris-Moto will be 50 grams lighter than a Maxy Fasty, barely heavier than a 650b x 32 mm Cypress, but 5 or 6 mm wider than either. If Jan Heine's theories on tire width and rolling resistance are true, the P-M should be faster on the road than the

Re: [RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

2010-02-13 Thread cyclotourist
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 9:04 AM, rswat...@me.com rswat...@me.com wrote: Depends on which Grand Bois. The Ourson is good in dirt, but the Hetre not so much. It's all Cush and no traction. It's OK to an extent, but if it gets steep it starts slipping on me. It's still my favorite tire, but I

[RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

2010-02-12 Thread Esteban
Great news! I saw the early model at Riv a few weeks ago - tread was too thin. This is gonna be an awesome tire. It must be pretty darn good if Grand Bois dropped their 38mm Hetre project. Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Feb 12, 5:17 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Just an FYI for those

Re: [RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

2010-02-12 Thread rswat...@me.com
Did Grand Bois really drop the 38mm project? This is the first I've heard about it. I'm starting a rumor right now: Grand Bois finally located the lost Mistuboshi Trimline mold and we'll have a supple, folding Trimline by summer! Pass it on ;-) Cheers, Ryan On Feb 12, 2010, at 20:55,

[RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

2010-02-12 Thread rcnute
I think Jan mentioned (in essence) that the market wouldn't bear another 38mm tire right now given other offerings. Ryan On Feb 12, 8:09 pm, rswat...@me.com rswat...@me.com wrote: Did Grand Bois really drop the 38mm project? This is the first I've   heard about it. I'm starting a rumor right

Re: [RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

2010-02-12 Thread John Speare
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Great news!  I saw the early model at Riv a few weeks ago - tread was too thin.  This is gonna be an awesome tire.  It must be pretty darn good if Grand Bois dropped their 38mm Hetre project. I read this elsewhere: that the

[RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

2010-02-12 Thread Bill M.
From the latest Riv Reader on the Paris-Moto: The sample shown actually weighs 291g, but with a 1.5mm tread thickness. Kirk says the production tires will be thicker-about 2mm-and the 308g listed here is a prediction. Width shown is 38.15 mm. From the VBQ test of the Hetre: Width (on 25 mm Mavic