[RBW] Re: I was turning left this morning

2015-07-19 Thread Peter Adler
Riding on sidewalks is also an issue of local and state regulation. In California, all riders 16 or older are required to ride in the street; the one exception is that cycling on a sidewalk may be permitted or forbidden by local ordinance. The only California roadway I have seen which has signs

Re: [RBW] Re: I was turning left this morning

2015-07-06 Thread Patrick Moore
Walking against traffic has long been considered safer and I think that many cyclists see themselves more like pedestrians than vehicular traffic. It annoys me, too, but I try to explain calmly that cycling against traffic is in fact more dangerous. I suppose I ought to look up statistics for that

Re: [RBW] Re: I was turning left this morning

2015-07-06 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 07/06/2015 01:26 AM, Peter Adler wrote: When I first complaint about this to my 74-year old mother, who'd been out of the US for several years, she told me that in her 50s youth, pedestrians were advised to walk on the pavement against the flow of street traffic, so that they could see

Re: [RBW] Re: I was turning left this morning

2015-07-06 Thread Eric Norris
On the American River parkway, runners are required to use the left shoulder whenever possible (running facing the oncoming bikes). That's consistent with the traffic rules I was taught while growing up in California. Eric N www.CampyOnly.com CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

Re: [RBW] Re: I was turning left this morning

2015-07-06 Thread Eric Norris
I've wondered that myself, so I asked a cycling expert why it was dangerous to ride against traffic. He said a primary reason is that cars are less likely to see you when they are making turns. A driver entering a road will tend to look to his/her left, where cars are coming from. If you're

Re: [RBW] Re: I was turning left this morning

2015-07-06 Thread Ron Mc
meant to say he broke two laws On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 10:25:13 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: totally dependent on location, traffic patterns, anticipated and immediate choices, but I will often swing over to the wrong side of the road in anticipation of making a left turn - now looks like a

Re: [RBW] Re: I was turning left this morning

2015-07-06 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 07/06/2015 12:10 PM, Ron Mc wrote: I can think of another place where everybody, and I mean everybody rides a bike on the wrong side shoulder of the access road for about 100 yds to connect two bike greenways separated by Brooke Army Medical Center. There are quite a few situations

Re: [RBW] Re: I was turning left this morning

2015-07-06 Thread Ron Mc
the point about downtown hamlet is being challenged for speed on a bicycle in this block is extremely unusual. It's usually more difficult to get people to pass you here when you want them to. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch

Re: [RBW] Re: I was turning left this morning

2015-07-06 Thread chocotaco
I heartily disagree with the advice and/or rules to walk on the left side against traffic, at least in my own urban context. I have walked thousands of miles to and from work in the last few years on city sidewalks, and it gradually became clear that nearly every time I have had an incident

Re: [RBW] Re: I was turning left this morning

2015-07-06 Thread Edwin W
I think a factor is speed. If cars are going 35 and bikes are going 15, reaction time is very decreased when facing each other (50 mph differential). If they are going the same direction, the differential is much decreased, from 50 to 20mph. When you are making a decision (not to mention

Re: [RBW] Re: I was turning left this morning

2015-07-06 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 07/06/2015 10:36 AM, chocotaco wrote: I heartily disagree with the advice and/or rules to walk on the left side against traffic, at least in my own urban context. I have walked thousands of miles to and from work in the last few years on city sidewalks, and it gradually became clear that

Re: [RBW] Re: I was turning left this morning

2015-07-06 Thread Ron Mc
totally dependent on location, traffic patterns, anticipated and immediate choices, but I will often swing over to the wrong side of the road in anticipation of making a left turn - now looks like a good time to do it as opposed to later having to stop up there at the intersection. This is

Re: [RBW] Re: I was turning left this morning

2015-07-06 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 07/06/2015 09:53 AM, Eric Norris wrote: I've wondered that myself, so I asked a cycling expert why it was dangerous to ride against traffic. He said a primary reason is that cars are less likely to see you when they are making turns. A driver entering a road will tend to look to his/her

Re: [RBW] Re: I was turning left this morning

2015-07-06 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 07/06/2015 11:25 AM, Ron Mc wrote: totally dependent on location, traffic patterns, anticipated and immediate choices, but I will often swing over to the wrong side of the road in anticipation of making a left turn - now looks like a good time to do it as opposed to later having to stop up

[RBW] Re: I was turning left this morning

2015-07-06 Thread SteveD
This topic is a pet peeve of mine, especially when I a drive the car. If my wife is in the car with me, she calls me the Bike Nazi. She can hear me complaining under my breath every time I see someone riding on the wrong side of the road. Riding with traffic is so much more convenient and

Re: [RBW] Re: I was turning left this morning

2015-07-06 Thread Ron Mc
essentially bailing across the road to tuck into a parking lot 40' away (and essentially continuous parking lots before you get there). This particular spot has a blind tee (view obstructed by a twisted live oak) and people often charge through looking right into the face a cyclist, which

[RBW] Re: I was turning left this morning

2015-07-05 Thread Matthew J
Lately I've had trouble from other cyclists! Chicago has many stop signs. Many fellow cyclists unfortunately do not appear to remember the long time rule when both stop at the same time vehicle or bike on your right has the right of way. -- You received this message because you are

Re: [RBW] Re: I was turning left this morning

2015-07-05 Thread Jim Bronson
I shake my head at people I see out riding around at night without lights or reflective gear. I only hope that I am always able to see them and give them plenty of space. I've wondered before if there is some bike advocacy organization around here that I can volunteer to give out lights to

Re: [RBW] Re: I was turning left this morning

2015-07-05 Thread Lungimsam
It happened again today! Some guy in carbon kit came up the wrong side of the shoulder at me and the wife. For his safety I told him Don't ride against traffic. You'll get hit.. That's about all the speaking time I had while he passed by. Later, on the trip home I saw him riding on another

Re: [RBW] Re: I was turning left this morning

2015-07-05 Thread Peter Adler
Counter-current riding (what BikeSnobNYC calls bike salmoning has escalated rapidly in the last five years. A friend of mine was on the citizen's police review board of Richmond, CA a few years back. His explanation of the original behavior came from street cops: Allegedly, the practice was

Re: [RBW] Re: I was turning left this morning

2015-07-05 Thread Justin August
Ironically I was brought up in the 80s in small town West Virginia being told to always bike against traffic. Not until I was driving at age 16 did I realize how utterly insane that was. Now here in the Bay I get unreasonably mad when I have to drive and folks are salmoning. It's not like we

[RBW] Re: I was turning left this morning

2015-07-04 Thread Matthew J
Given up trying to understand the mind set of some (lately seems all too many) drivers. 20 mph zone - still not willing to yield right of way. Bet you were not going that much slower than any other normally driven auto in the circumstances. Good thing your reflexes were ready and you are

[RBW] Re: I was turning left this morning

2015-07-04 Thread Lungimsam
Lately I've had trouble from other cyclists! Several times cyclists have been riding the wrong way, towards me on the shoulder, which sometimes forced me into the lane to go around them. This week as I was driving, two cyclists came riding abreast down a ramp head on towards me, forcing me to

[RBW] Re: I was turning left this morning

2015-07-04 Thread Deacon Patrick
Wow. Thankful you are not too much worse for the wear! With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 9:21:51 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: in a 20 mph zone - a guy crossed the double yellow line accelerating to twice the speed limit and turned right in front of me glad my mirror was working