I was of the same mind as Edwin. When Joe showed up, I thought of buying one
and tranferring the parts from Sam and buying some fatter tires for one
wheelset. I thought Joe might be better on trails but feared I'd miss the road
feel of Sam. I've noticed that 45 Smart Sams fit the Sam but rub
O.. 2.5 Hunq! I like that idea.
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This is basically my thinking on it too. To me, a new owner of a Sam that I
like very much, despite its limitations (e.g. brake choice and clearance),
I don't feel the Joe would bring enough of an upgrade to justify either a
substitution or addition. A longer wheelbase sounds like it could be
Long chainstays allow the use of road cranksets without needing wider
bottom brackets. I'm not sure if any Riv models would need wider than
normal bottom brackets, but on my large Clem, with the longest chainstays
of the sizes, I'm able to use a Dura Ace 7410 crank that utilizes a 103mm
bottom
There was a 56cm Atlantis FS posting last week with XT bits. That would
possibly have been your dream bike, if you like the Hillborne's roadiness,
but want cantis, clearance, and beauty.
The 56 is the largest Atlantis frame that uses 559s. Personally, I'm a
little shaky with Appa's 52-53
" Personally, I'm a little shaky with Appa's 52-53 length chainstays. "
I'm not sure I follow what this means. Does this mean:
a. I've ridden a bike with 53cm chainstays, and the ride was unstable.
When I ride a bike with 53cm chainstays, I'm a little shaky
b. I don't believe there is any
i purchased a new hunq frame a couple of years ago. it was a lot of money
and still is a lot of money for me. my wife still thinks that the whole
bike was 2k, not just the frame. since then, i bought a used sam from a too
generous group member. the hunq is racked and bagged and adorned with
Bill,
I am one who would want just a frameset. If it were offered like a Clem,
for a $700 presale (wow wasn't that a great deal!) I would have jumped on
it, transferred everything over from my Sam and sold the Sam frameset. But
it was not to be. Reading your email ALMOST made me want to order
I expect the Joe will ride a lot like a Sam. It will have all the benefits
of wider tires. I expect it to ride "Like a Rivendell".
Regarding the numerous people who want a frameset. I understand,
completely. I have all the parts to pull together two or three builds,
also. But think
I'm sure as the audience for Rivs and the number of dealers grow, it may
make sense to offer many of the "more affordable" options as complete
instead of f/f/hs/bb. Working w/ the dealers, I'm sure it's much easier to
move the Rivs once people can actually ride them.
Just my $.02
Best,
Eric
I screwed up. I said the Silver Hubset was $110. The rear hub is $110.
The front is $75. $185 for the hubset. At any rate, I think that even
the Appaloosa complete at $2500 is a solid deal.
On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 1:30:53 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
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> I expect the Joe will
Just sold my Surly Pugsley, the want is high for the Joe, but alas I think
my Sam will do with the Albatross bars I have coming.
I need a winter/commuter bike I am not afraid to lock up..A Riv that bike
probably won't do
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Well the Appaloosa frame is never going to be $700. It's fully lugged.
The Clem frame was $700 largely because of how lugless it is. Three sizes
vs Five also helped. IF they ever offer an Appaloosa frame, it will
definitely cost more than a Hillborne.
On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at
It looks like completes are going to be the way all of the lower priced
Riv's will be sold from hence forth.
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Somewhere on the Blug it recently mentioned that more Sams were coming in
2016, but they would be sold as completes only.
KJ
On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 6:26:07 AM UTC-5, William R. wrote:
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> And I'm sure we will see more Sam's at some point. I hope we do.
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> Bill in Westchester, NY
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